Child Food Poverty

[SilliamWhale]

In the news again. Discuss

No one is allowed to mention plasma tellys

 

[kiwi pom]

Its complicated.
There's genuine cases and there's people that will never be happy no matter how much the government helps them.
A lot of people shouldn't have children because they either don't have enough money to support them or don't have the skills to properly look after them.

The fact that thousands of people risk there lives just to get to the UK would suggest its not that bad if people actually put the effort in.

NZ is probably worse than the UK. It often seems to score badly when anything child related is talked about, but its not Syria.

 

[teslacoils]

Everything, and I mean everything, in the UK is about house prices. They disguise the fact 1/4 families have not enough cash savings to last a week with no income, or that our productivity is beyond awful. The rest of the sh!t comes from this. The UK is rich. Noone needs to be hungry.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Lots of chat about the "government" not doing enough but the government don't really have any money.

I think there is more focus on the " government" being needed to fund more free food etc because it makes it more of an anonymous problem than making it an issue of asking one taxpayer to fund.


I don't actually thinks its about actual food as much as politics though

 

[delilah]

A little case study:
A work colleague of mine, 20 years ago, would as a single mum with no money walk with her 3 yr old daughter to the local greengrocers, Saturday closing time. They would ask the greengrocer for some veg "for the rabbit". Both adults knew the game at play. She went home with the stuff that was to be chucked and made their meals with it.
Fast forward to today. Firstly she would need a car as that greengrocers is now a house. Assuming she had a car - and she would have to as there are now no food shops within walking distance - she would drive to Tesco, being the only food shop in the ward. She would ask the girl on the till for some veg "for the rabbit". And the girl on the till would hit the security button as there was clearly a loon in the shop.

 

[delilah]

Henry Dimbleby made this issue the major part of Part 1 of his National Food Strategy.

https://www.nationalfoodstrategy.org/partone/

For in depth stuff, Sustain have done loads of work on this issue.

https://www.sustainweb.org/

 

[kiwi pom]

A little case study:
A work colleague of mine, 20 years ago, would as a single mum with no money walk with her 3 yr old daughter to the local greengrocers, Saturday closing time. They would ask the greengrocer for some veg "for the rabbit". Both adults knew the game at play. She went home with the stuff that was to be chucked and made their meals with it.
Fast forward to today. Firstly she would need a car as that greengrocers is now a house. Assuming she had a car - and she would have to as there are now no food shops within walking distance - she would drive to Tesco, being the only food shop in the ward. She would ask the girl on the till for some veg "for the rabbit". And the girl on the till would hit the security button as there was clearly a loon in the shop.

Supermarkets deliver now and the veg is that cheap she can probably buy the real thing, instead of what they were going to throw out.

 

[DealeyPlaza1963]

A little case study:
A work colleague of mine, 20 years ago, would as a single mum with no money walk with her 3 yr old daughter to the local greengrocers, Saturday closing time. They would ask the greengrocer for some veg "for the rabbit". Both adults knew the game at play. She went home with the stuff that was to be chucked and made their meals with it.
Fast forward to today. Firstly she would need a car as that greengrocers is now a house. Assuming she had a car - and she would have to as there are now no food shops within walking distance - she would drive to Tesco, being the only food shop in the ward. She would ask the girl on the till for some veg "for the rabbit". And the girl on the till would hit the security button as there was clearly a loon in the shop.

And yet it could be a hard working single mum - or dad, say, a Nurse and yet she would still , as thousands upon thousand WORKING families, need to rely on food banks and other charities to survive; Perhaps SilliamWhale you might tell us why you are so fully entitled to keep taking any subsidy or other benefits- including tax 'benefits' and yet think people who are reliant on other state money are scroungers etc. Food poverty, particularly when it affects children, should be seen as the shameful outcome of Tory policies- policies specifically designed to deliver a retention of the class system; The Rich and the poor.

 

[Highland Mule]

Supermarkets deliver now and the veg is that cheap she can probably buy the real thing, instead of what they were going to throw out.

They do deliver, but only if you can order it. So a drive/ bus to the local library to use their internet, or else a mobile phone and £10/month to use it.

Although the poorest probably need that internet connection anyway to claim their various state aid/ unemployment/ job seeker packages.

So, not only do you need access to transport, you also really need access to internet.

 

[delilah]

Why does the government


Supermarkets deliver now and the veg is that cheap she can probably buy the real thing, instead of what they were going to throw out.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/tescorona.313517/page-2#post-6849474

et al

 

[SilliamWhale]

Supermarkets deliver now and the veg is that cheap she can probably buy the real thing, instead of what they were going to throw out.

But when you suggest that the argument evolves to either "they are all working 14 hour days and are too exhausted to cook" or that they "don't have the kitchen facilities" or "how would you like to eat veg all day".

Of course there are a lot of charities/ public workers whos lifes work this is and so any suggestions of food being cheap is met with an overpriviliged type statement.

I don't doubt many are close to the breadline mind

 

[multi power]

And yet it could be a hard working single mum - or dad, say, a Nurse and yet she would still , as thousands upon thousand WORKING families, need to rely on food banks and other charities to survive; Perhaps SilliamWhale you might tell us why you are so fully entitled to keep taking any subsidy or other benefits- including tax 'benefits' and yet think people who are reliant on other state money are scroungers etc. Food poverty, particularly when it affects children, should be seen as the shameful outcome of Tory policies- policies specifically designed to deliver a retention of the class system; The Rich and the poor.

Why on earth would anyone with an income need to rely on a food bank ?
Sounds like you are getting confused with people who are unable to budget or prioritize

 

[multi power]

They do deliver, but only if you can order it. So a drive/ bus to the local library to use their internet, or else a mobile phone and £10/month to use it.

Although the poorest probably need that internet connection anyway to claim their various state aid/ unemployment/ job seeker packages.

So, not only do you need access to transport, you also really need access to internet.

Not too difficult to get hold of a descendant push bike

 

[Highland Mule]

Not too difficult to get hold of a descendant push bike

Apparently they were like hens’ teeth earlier this year!

Easier to get a decent spellchecker.

 

[SilliamWhale]

And yet it could be a hard working single mum - or dad, say, a Nurse and yet she would still , as thousands upon thousand WORKING families, need to rely on food banks and other charities to survive; Perhaps SilliamWhale you might tell us why you are so fully entitled to keep taking any subsidy or other benefits- including tax 'benefits' and yet think people who are reliant on other state money are scroungers etc. Food poverty, particularly when it affects children, should be seen as the shameful outcome of Tory policies- policies specifically designed to deliver a retention of the class system; The Rich and the poor.

Well personally speaking I will take anything I'm offered to benefit myself. As would anyone. As would you.

I'm not actually saying people who are reliant on state money are scroungers at all. I think we need to help the poorest in society for sure.

I'm just finding the child food poverty thing quite on trend and yet as I see it food is still cheaper than its ever been. There's something about it which feels excessively political at the moment. I don't think its currently a particularly expensive thing to for a govt to have to pay for compared to a lot of other things (free school meals and breakfast clubs are a great idea and it is win win).

 

[bluebell]

anyone heard of self help? round here this time of year fruits of nature waiting to be picked? for free ? in my area not that many years ago nearly everyone grew vegetables or kept a few chickens, not now as a middle class hobbiy? same as home baking everyone in my generation mother home baked, made jam etc, now it seems all this is some sort of middleclass pasttime?

 

[Tomr10]

Why on earth would anyone with an income need to rely on a food bank ?
Sounds like you are getting confused with people who are unable to budget or prioritize

Depends on what the income is, the worst place to be is the just missing out group. I know people that get a house and loads of benefits and are laughing at the pole who have minimum wage incomes

 

[Highland Mule]

anyone heard of self help? round here this time of year fruits of nature waiting to be picked? for free ? in my area not that many years ago nearly everyone grew vegetables or kept a few chickens, not now as a middle class hobbiy? same as home baking everyone in my generation mother home baked, made jam etc, now it seems all this is some sort of middleclass pasttime?

Not so easy in an inner city third floor flat. Window box won’t grow much, if anything.

 

[Sid]

Bring back food coupons.

Not allowed to spend it on anything that has VAT on it as those are deemed non essentials.

 

[Sid]

I think food banks can put us as food producers in a bad light.

You dont see electricity or gas banks. Rent or mortgage banks. Credit card interest banks.

Living in ones means seems to be a thing of the past.