Chinese pig herd

[Agrivator]

The demise of the pig herd in China is bound to have massive repercussions on the world's meat market.

Pork is such a major part of the Chinese diet, that there will be a huge conflict between eating gilts or using them to re-populate. And in the meantime, meat will have to be sourced from new markets which will make the effect of Brexit pale into insignificance.

Hold onto your sheep and beef breeding stock. Don't sell your ewe hoggs, regardless of what price they might come to by April. Unless of course, you hate sheep, and want to take the opportunity to get rid.

 

[JP1]

The demise of the pig herd in China is bound to have massive repercussions on the world's meat market.

Pork is such a major part of the Chinese diet, that there will be a huge conflict between eating gilts or using them to re-populate. And in the meantime, meat will have to be sourced from new markets which will make the effect of Brexit pale into insignificance.

Hold onto your sheep and beef breeding stock. Don't sell your ewe hoggs, regardless of what price they might come to by April. Unless of course, you hate sheep, and want to take the opportunity to get rid.

Not convinced

It's been known about for quite a while and EU / UK pork prices haven't risen

They are building massive poultry units to replace and re-stocking already in new builds with better biosecurity and flying in nucleus and GP genetics (live) from here already

 

[milkloss]

The demise of the pig herd in China is bound to have massive repercussions on the world's meat market.

Pork is such a major part of the Chinese diet, that there will be a huge conflict between eating gilts or using them to re-populate. And in the meantime, meat will have to be sourced from new markets which will make the effect of Brexit pale into insignificance.

Hold onto your sheep and beef breeding stock. Don't sell your ewe hoggs, regardless of what price they might come to by April. Unless of course, you hate sheep, and want to take the opportunity to get rid.

Old news and it hasn't happened yet. The Americans are sitting on huge quantities of cold pig ready to go too.

Bit of a jam tomorrow job imo.

 

[Gong Farmer]

The Chinese have bought into big pig companies in the US, promising to only supply the US market but are now exporting it all back home. Very shrewd, and some say they saw the writing on the wall long before anyone else did

 

[Kidds]

The Chinese have bought into big pig companies in the US, promising to only supply the US market but are now exporting it all back home. Very shrewd, and some say they saw the writing on the wall long before anyone else did

They do seem to be better at long term planning. Different to our lot that just do and say things for that short term re-election hope.
Makes me wonder why they are going to such lengths with the current virus out there. Can't help thinking they know something we don't.

 

[deere 6600]

If they can build a new 1000 bed hospital in a FORTNIGHT they can likely source some grub !!!!!ps mibbe oor Nicola would like tae check oot the hospital build

 

[Agrivator]

Wooler Prime Sheep Sale – Harrison & Hetherington

harrisonandhetherington.co.uk

See what I mean.

 

[LAMBCHOPS]

Old news and it hasn't happened yet. The Americans are sitting on huge quantities of cold pig ready to go too.

Bit of a jam tomorrow job imo.

You may be underestimating the population in China of both pigs and humans to eat them. Pig numbers decimated and virus not under control and it is in the Wild Boar population therefore it ""may" note may be a danger not only in China but in the whole of the land mass around that area even the whole of Europe!!. Worrying times for meat production of pork

 

[milkloss]

You may be underestimating the population in China of both pigs and humans to eat them. Pig numbers decimated and virus not under control and it is in the Wild Boar population therefore it ""may" note may be a danger not only in China but in the whole of the land mass around that area even the whole of Europe!!. Worrying times for meat production of pork

No, I think I understand. Half the pig herd in China has been culled and China has half the pigs in the world. So that's a quarter of the world pig pop. dead and no discernible rise in global animal protein prices.

ASF is already in Europe and Russia, even as close as Belgium wild pig population!

I'm not sure there's real market forces at work here and believe that assuming prices will rise is one hell of a gamble. It's fairly obvious to me that either there is/was massive over production of pork and other substitutes or that there may be some influence making sure the natives don't get irked by expensive meat!

 

[Suffolk Serf]

You only have to see the last quarterly report from xxxxxxxxx PLC (one of the UK's top three pig processors) to see where the money is being made.

 

[Hilly]

You may be underestimating the population in China of both pigs and humans to eat them. Pig numbers decimated and virus not under control and it is in the Wild Boar population therefore it ""may" note may be a danger not only in China but in the whole of the land mass around that area even the whole of Europe!!. Worrying times for meat production of pork

I was told it will take them ten years to stop the swine fever due to it been in wild pigs, they reckon if every pig in the uk went to China tomorrow they would consume it in 8 seconds !! Just what I was told might not be true but when you see the stat s of China it’s believable .

 

[LAMBCHOPS]

I was told it will take them ten years to stop the swine fever due to it been in wild pigs, they reckon if every pig in the uk went to China tomorrow they would consume it in 8 seconds !! Just what I was told might not be true but when you see the stat s of China it’s believable .

8 seconds!! Its the point i am trying to make. I have seen the maps which are provided above and its the Wild Boar that will spread it and who is controlling them?? Soon it will start to bite

 

[neilo]

Wooler Prime Sheep Sale – Harrison & Hetherington

harrisonandhetherington.co.uk

See what I mean.

Sheep prices are up as the numbers aren’t there, or likely to be in the Spring. I’m certainly in no hurry to sell the hoggets I’ve kept back.
Numbers are short because most people had lower scanning numbers after last year’s drought, a lot had thrown the towel in after the awful winter previously, and kill numbers were well up prior to the ‘dead in a ditch’ Brexit date of October 31st. Numbers weren’t there to start with, and more were killed early. Job’s a good ‘un.?

That certainly doesn’t translate into long term prosperity for the sheep sector though, especially considering the uncertainty over future trading relationships with the EU. The ASF thing is just a short term distraction as far as sheep meat is concerned imo, but ‘may’ give a short term boost.

 

[Hilly]

Sheep prices are up as the numbers aren’t there, or likely to be in the Spring. I’m certainly in no hurry to sell the hoggets I’ve kept back.
Numbers are short because most people had lower scanning numbers after last year’s drought, a lot had thrown the towel in after the awful winter previously, and kill numbers were well up prior to the ‘dead in a ditch’ Brexit date of October 31st. Numbers weren’t there to start with, and more were killed early. Job’s a good ‘un.?

That certainly doesn’t translate into long term prosperity for the sheep sector though, especially considering the uncertainty over future trading relationships with the EU. The ASF thing is just a short term distraction as far as sheep meat is concerned imo, but ‘may’ give a short term boost.

Sheep have been having short term boost since brexit circus started due to exchange rate.you could say if not fir brexit the job would have been totally feked 3 years ago

 

[Bogweevil]

Soon be a vaccine.

Currently, there is no commercially available vaccine against African swine fever, which has been devastating the swine industry in Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia. African swine fever virus (ASFV) is highly contagious and often lethal to domestic and wild pigs. Outbreaks have been quelled -- more or less -- "by animal quarantine and slaughter," according to the report. (Humans are not susceptible to ASFV.)
In the study, both low and high doses of the vaccine were 100% effective against the virus when the pigs were challenged 28 days post-inoculation.

They used a predictive methodology called a computational pipeline to predict the roles of proteins on the virus. The computational pipeline predicted that a protein called I177l could interfere with the immune system of the pig. When they deleted this gene, ASFV-G was completely attenuated.

New experimental vaccine for African swine fever virus shows promise

Government and academic investigators have developed a vaccine against African swine fever that appears to be far more effective than previously developed vaccines.

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[milkloss]

Soon be a vaccine.

Currently, there is no commercially available vaccine against African swine fever, which has been devastating the swine industry in Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia. African swine fever virus (ASFV) is highly contagious and often lethal to domestic and wild pigs. Outbreaks have been quelled -- more or less -- "by animal quarantine and slaughter," according to the report. (Humans are not susceptible to ASFV.)
In the study, both low and high doses of the vaccine were 100% effective against the virus when the pigs were challenged 28 days post-inoculation.

They used a predictive methodology called a computational pipeline to predict the roles of proteins on the virus. The computational pipeline predicted that a protein called I177l could interfere with the immune system of the pig. When they deleted this gene, ASFV-G was completely attenuated.

New experimental vaccine for African swine fever virus shows promise

Government and academic investigators have developed a vaccine against African swine fever that appears to be far more effective than previously developed vaccines.

www.sciencedaily.com

Developed by the USDA but I wonder what ‘reasonable timeframe’ means exactly?

 

[Bogweevil]

Developed by the USDA but I wonder what ‘reasonable timeframe’ means exactly?

so do I, probably related to urgency of problem, happily our boffins are on the case:


Scientists at The Pirbright Institute have identified African swine fever virus (ASFV) proteins that can trigger an immune response in pigs. The team hopes to develop a vaccine using these proteins that is capable of protecting against the deadly disease.
Published in Frontiers in Immunology, the study shows that when some pigs were challenged with a virulent strain of ASF after receiving a vaccine that included the identified proteins, the level of virus in the blood was reduced. “This demonstrates that this method of vaccination could provide effective protection to pigs, though further work is needed”, said Dr Chris Netherton, Head of the ASF Vaccinology Group at Pirbright

 

[milkloss]

so do I, probably related to urgency of problem, happily our boffins are on the case:


Scientists at The Pirbright Institute have identified African swine fever virus (ASFV) proteins that can trigger an immune response in pigs. The team hopes to develop a vaccine using these proteins that is capable of protecting against the deadly disease.
Published in Frontiers in Immunology, the study shows that when some pigs were challenged with a virulent strain of ASF after receiving a vaccine that included the identified proteins, the level of virus in the blood was reduced. “This demonstrates that this method of vaccination could provide effective protection to pigs, though further work is needed”, said Dr Chris Netherton, Head of the ASF Vaccinology Group at Pirbright

Remember the last time they pr1cked about with foot and mouth though?

 

[Devil's advocate]

I was told it will take them ten years to stop the swine fever due to it been in wild pigs, they reckon if every pig in the uk went to China tomorrow they would consume it in 8 seconds !! Just what I was told might not be true but when you see the stat s of China it’s believable .

Just done some calculations there are actually 22 times as many chinese as brits.

so eating our pigs in 8 seconds is rubbish, unless we can eat all our pigs in 22 x 8 seconds which is 178 seconds so three minutes about the time it takes to listen an 80's pop song.

 

[Hilly]

Just done some calculations there are actually 22 times as many chinese as brits.

so eating our pigs in 8 seconds is rubbish, unless we can eat all our pigs in 22 x 8 seconds which is 178 seconds so three minutes about the time it takes to listen an 80's pop song.

I thought it would be more than 22 to 1 for sure