Chlorhexidine

[Keepitsimple26]

IME, warts can be reduced by controlling the vector of transmission as calves so key is to keep flies out of calf bedding and away from young calves. This is why heifers can get problems with warts. Good news is either way, eventually animals will build some immunity and they disappear. There are several products for controlling fly and larvae in bedding and obviously options for control on calves.

 

[Water Wheel]

We get warts bad as well, got a trial of ivermectin and a custom made homeopathic in an attempt to get rid of them

Never heard of this before , where did this idea come from,and dose it seem to work to you. Are you treating the animal as if it had worms or treating the actual warts? Injection or pour on ? I'm very curious.

 

[Devon lad]

Never heard of this before , where did this idea come from,and dose it seem to work to you. Are you treating the animal as if it had worms or treating the actual warts? Injection or pour on ? I'm very curious.

Was speaking to our freeze brander, an old boy who's beyond retirement age. He said some people found success with it, we only found it a real problem when we reared our own heifers and didn't routinely worm them in their 2nd year only egg counts in dung and always came back negative. When our heifers were reared off farm they were always wormed in the summer and we never had no where near as big a problem, maybe coincidence?. This year I'll ivomec half our heifers in June and August maybe, and other half use homeopathic treatment on them and see which works best.

 

[Devon lad]

Injection

 

[Water Wheel]

Was speaking to our freeze brander, an old boy who's beyond retirement age. He said some people found success with it, we only found it a real problem when we reared our own heifers and didn't routinely worm them in their 2nd year only egg counts in dung and always came back negative. When our heifers were reared off farm they were always wormed in the summer and we never had no where near as big a problem, maybe coincidence?. This year I'll ivomec half our heifers in June and August maybe, and other half use homeopathic treatment on them and see which works best.

Thanks, just tried google, seems like the 'old boy' just might have been on to something!
Ivermectin is an effective treatment for bovine cutaneous papillomatosis
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0034528807000410

Has anyone else come across this treatment?

 

[Clay52]

Was speaking to our freeze brander, an old boy who's beyond retirement age. He said some people found success with it, we only found it a real problem when we reared our own heifers and didn't routinely worm them in their 2nd year only egg counts in dung and always came back negative. When our heifers were reared off farm they were always wormed in the summer and we never had no where near as big a problem, maybe coincidence?. This year I'll ivomec half our heifers in June and August maybe, and other half use homeopathic treatment on them and see which works best.

Homeopathy doesn't work for anything. It's pseudoscience. So I suppose it's a good test of Ivomec vs doing nothing.

 

[Buford T. Justice]

Homeopathy doesn't work for anything. It's pseudoscience. So I suppose it's a good test of Ivomec vs doing nothing.

I wouldn't say it does nothing.

In fairness, it's a great way of separating the gullible from their money...

 

[Devon lad]

Homeopathy doesn't work for anything. It's pseudoscience. So I suppose it's a good test of Ivomec vs doing nothing.

We tried it on a group of heifers last year with warts on their bellys and they fell off within a fortnight, it might not work for everyone but it did on this occasion for us I saw it with my own eyes

 

[Clay52]

We tried it on a group of heifers last year with warts on their bellys and they fell off within a fortnight, it might not work for everyone but it did on this occasion for us I saw it with my own eyes

That's not a controlled test. Things like that tend to resolve on their own anyway with heifers. It doesn't prove anything.

Homeopathy has shown that it doesn't work in rigiourous trials. Not only that there is no actual mechanism for homeopathy to work. For homeopathy to work the whole understanding of chemistry and physics would have to change drastically. It's has never shown that it does work so it's not an issue.

The basis of homeopathy is that water has memory and the more dilute a solution is the stronger it's effects are. Both are just nonsense.

 

[Agrispeed]

Homeopathy is a good treatment in the sense of being a placebo though. I've read some fascinating things about the placebo effect on animals, for instance, the more invasive the treatment, the better the recovery. There is also a placebo effect on observers, which makes it very hard to nullify.

So, in a sense Homeopathy works, but not in the sense that it actually works though.

 

[Clay52]

Homeopathy is a good treatment in the sense of being a placebo though. I've read some fascinating things about the placebo effect on animals, for instance, the more invasive the treatment, the better the recovery. There is also a placebo effect on observers, which makes it very hard to nullify.

So, in a sense Homeopathy works, but not in the sense that it actually works though.

People misunderstand placebo. Placebo doesn't actually do anything measurable. Placebo gives the impression that its done something through confirmation bias of the subject and or the person observing them.

E.g. Give a group of people with the flu a placebo tablet Vs another group doing nothing. The people who get the placebo tablets on may report that they feel better and feel like they got better quicker but both groups recover at the exact same rate and have no measureable differences in recovering from the illness.

It's the same with placebo on animals. There is no meausureble improvement. The improvement is the bias of the observer recording them.

 

[Agrispeed]

People misunderstand placebo. Placebo doesn't actually do anything measurable. Placebo gives the impression that its done something through confirmation bias of the subject and or the person observing them.

E.g. Give a group of people with the flu a placebo tablet Vs another group doing nothing. The people who get the placebo tablets on may report that they feel better and feel like they got better quicker but both groups recover at the exact same rate and have no measureable differences in recovering from the illness.

It's the same with placebo on animals. There is no meausureble improvement. The improvement is the bias of the observer recording them.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20161017-why-animals-experience-the-placebo-effect-much-like-we-do
This is interesting - You have a problem, so you treat it with a placebo, but you anxiously watch and pay more attention to the problem, thereby curing it.

If the symptoms reduce, then you can say that you have treated them, whether the issue at hand is treated or not is a different matter.

Wasn't there a study into the effect of cost and peoples satisfaction? That would account for a lot of confirmation bias.

In conclusion, homeopathy can wholly claim to cure one problem; having too much money.

 

[jerseycowsman]

Apparently chlorhexadrine keeps flies away to a certain extent. Anybody else heard this or know it?

 

[Maxxum-man]

Apparently chlorhexadrine keeps flies away to a certain extent. Anybody else heard this or know it?

I'm using a chlorhexidine with a peppermint smell which is meant to also keep the fly's away, well happy with it

 

[Agrispeed]

I'm using a chlorhexidine with a peppermint smell which is meant to also keep the fly's away, well happy with it

I've been mixing very dilute uddermint with water and spraying cows with it and it does seem to work well. I'm planning on trying Chlorhexidine later this year though, so it will be interesting to see if it beats my home brew!

 

[jerseycowsman]

I'm using a chlorhexidine with a peppermint smell which is meant to also keep the fly's away, well happy with it

Where did you get that or what is its name?

 

[Ed15677]

Use Chlorhexine ( Evans Four Seasons Masodip) think its brilliant for teat condition, and seems to do the job for us annual SCC around 100, but dose nothing to get rid of warts. Trust me I know! and I wish I didn't.
We have all sorts of warts including some very large ones , pin pong ball size +. Wish I knew how to get rid of those, can see them just starting on heifers we are bulling now.

Sodium solution dip 3 times a week go black and fall off and try lambs tail rings

 

[Devon lad]

Sodium solution dip 3 times a week go black and fall off and try lambs tail rings

What exactly do you mean by sodium solution? Thanks

 

[DocPhil001]

Where did you get that or what is its name?

we use duel defence and get it from mole Avon. the added peppermint helps keep the flys away.

 

[ollie989898]

You need only spray iodine on your hands to realise instantly that it is harsh on skin. Anything that is less harsh must be better for teat condition?

How does Ivermectin affect the wart virus? That is interesting?

Fly control is a pain from beginning to end and warts are horrible. I was given to understand that you can vaccinate for warts if you ask the vet? Does that work at all?