Class Q

When class Q planning was introduced l believe that it was for redundant farm buildings.
I am now told the redundant bit is no longer necessary, is this correct?
After applying for this planning ,when an inspection takes place by the planners,does the building have to be completely empty and looking as if not used any more?
 

Martyn

Member
Location
South west
When class Q planning was introduced l believe that it was for redundant farm buildings.
I am now told the redundant bit is no longer necessary, is this correct?
After applying for this planning ,when an inspection takes place by the planners,does the building have to be completely empty and looking as if not used any more?
We have just applied for a 20 year old steal framed shed, it's always been in ag use, the crucial date was 2013 I believe, still used daily for straw storage( currently holding 200 round bales). Had to have a bat survey and structure report done.
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
When class Q planning was introduced l believe that it was for redundant farm buildings.
I am now told the redundant bit is no longer necessary, is this correct?
After applying for this planning ,when an inspection takes place by the planners,does the building have to be completely empty and looking as if not used any more?
First thing in the morning get anything and everything out the shed that could be non agricultural ,Lawn mower, push bike ,Horse jumps anything that is not 100 percent farming ,They have a habit of turning up unexpected even if you have asked for contact first on the forms.Anything farming related is fine ,One got turned down for having a plastic patio chair in as the council said it was mixed use and used for Domestic storage so did not have the permitted development rights
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
A local Class Q permission was granted and then later revoked when the applicant admitted he had kept his lawn mower in the shed.
Do not have any non ag items whatsoever in the shed. It does not need to be completely empty but you may as well anyway.
There was an applicant on here rejected for class Q on the basis Google Earth showed a saddle on the door. I find it a bit hard to believe but that is what was said.
 

Muddyroads

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
How much structure does the building have to have? I’ve got a yard with very dilapidated sheds on it (concrete block pillars with corrugated tin roof). I have aerial photos of a poultry unit there in the 60’s but only the concrete bases are left now.
 
How much structure does the building have to have? I’ve got a yard with very dilapidated sheds on it (concrete block pillars with corrugated tin roof). I have aerial photos of a poultry unit there in the 60’s but only the concrete bases are left now.
For Class Q (a&b) it needs to be structurally capable of conversion. However, there is a long route with just Class Q (a) for the change of use and then a Full Planning Application for the building works. This is srongly resisted by most LPA's but I have seen several Inspectors overturn them. I have yet to do one by this route but I have seen the case law to say it can be done.
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
First thing in the morning get anything and everything out the shed that could be non agricultural ,Lawn mower, push bike ,Horse jumps anything that is not 100 percent farming ,They have a habit of turning up unexpected even if you have asked for contact first on the forms.Anything farming related is fine ,One got turned down for having a plastic patio chair in as the council said it was mixed use and used for Domestic storage so did not have the permitted development rights
Simple answer - the plastic chair was part of the staff welfare equipment, pushbike is for environmentally friendly local transport, mower for cutting grass in difficult locations, anything horse related - you get what you deserve for having anything to do with the horsey brigade :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

Muddyroads

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
For Class Q (a&b) it needs to be structurally capable of conversion. However, there is a long route with just Class Q (a) for the change of use and then a Full Planning Application for the building works. This is srongly resisted by most LPA's but I have seen several Inspectors overturn them. I have yet to do one by this route but I have seen the case law to say it can be done.
This is a few metres into an AONB and a few metres outside the development line of the local town, although there is a house right next door. Would love to do something with it but if I go through the process and fail it would presumably devalue the site compared to not trying?
 
This is a few metres into an AONB and a few metres outside the development line of the local town, although there is a house right next door. Would love to do something with it but if I go through the process and fail it would presumably devalue the site compared to not trying?
Being inside the AONB then Class Q isn't an option but Class R is. Class R is Agri to a "Flexible Commercial Use" ranging from Offices to Hotels (Inc Holiday Let's).
From what you are describing I would suggest securing a Class R and then go back in for Full Planning for residential. If it is just outside the development boundary you could be lucky.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Dues going class R remove pd rights? Can you do a class R and a class Q with two different buildings on the same holding then, for example adjacent buildings? At the same time?
 
Dues going class R remove pd rights? Can you do a class R and a class Q with two different buildings on the same holding then, for example adjacent buildings? At the same time?
Doing two changes of use in different classes is not a problem and one would not affect the other if not done simultaniously. Both will remove PD rights under Part 6 for new agricultural buildings for a period of 10 years.
 

Muddyroads

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
Being inside the AONB then Class Q isn't an option but Class R is. Class R is Agri to a "Flexible Commercial Use" ranging from Offices to Hotels (Inc Holiday Let's).
From what you are describing I would suggest securing a Class R and then go back in for Full Planning for residential. If it is just outside the development boundary you could be lucky.
Thank you, I’ll be in touch!
 

Martyn

Member
Location
South west
Am I right thinking it's 28 day turnaround for q planning? We submitted last Wednesday, not on council website yet but guess it's just passing through the system.
 
Am I right thinking it's 28 day turnaround for q planning? We submitted last Wednesday, not on council website yet but guess it's just passing through the system.
(11) The development must not begin before the occurrence of one of the following—
(a) the receipt by the applicant from the local planning authority of a written notice of their
determination that such prior approval is not required;
(b) the receipt by the applicant from the local planning authority of a written notice giving
their prior approval; or
(c) the expiry of 56 days following the date on which the application under sub-paragraph (2)
was received by the local planning authority without the authority notifying the applicant
as to whether prior approval is given or refused.
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
Am I right thinking it's 28 day turnaround for q planning? We submitted last Wednesday, not on council website yet but guess it's just passing through the system.
day 1 was last Thursday ,The last day is more important and there is procedure to follow ,Forget about it for now they think there validating it but time is ticking,Hopefully you haven't put your email address on the forms
 

Martyn

Member
Location
South west
Has anyone had luck with concrete panels and q planning, we have been told that they can't be cut to allow doors/windows which I know is quite possibly with a diamond cutter as I have done it befor for ag building. Has anyone achieved q planning with 4" pannels around the bottom 2m of their shed?
 

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Man fined £300 for bonfire-related waste offences

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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