Class Q

[bobk]

They're not structural.
You can take them out and replace to same footprint.
Council hate class Q.

Ah , sooner build new on grade 1 land, w4nkers

 

[Martyn]

They're not structural.
You can take them out and replace to same footprint.
Council hate class Q.

Our council saying your not allow to remove them, ours and three other local q planning have all been rejected with identical planning reports.

 

[Nearly]

Get together and take one to appeal? @George from SJM Planning

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Has anyone had luck with concrete panels and q planning, we have been told that they can't be cut to allow doors/windows which I know is quite possibly with a diamond cutter as I have done it befor for ag building. Has anyone achieved q planning with 4" pannels around the bottom 2m of their shed?

The manner of the build is irrelevant for Class Q - the building could be made out of polystyrene and still be convertible providing it is structurally capable of being converted into a dwelling without significant structural additions.
By inserting windows and doors will it affect the structural integrity of the building?

My advice would be to get a structural engineer to assess the building as is and then ask them to comment on the proposed design - if they can not support the scheme without structural enhancements then Class Q won't be possible. If they can then make sure the report is included in the submission.

 

[Martyn]

The manner of the build is irrelevant for Class Q - the building could be made out of polystyrene and still be convertible providing it is structurally capable of being converted into a dwelling without significant structural additions.
By inserting windows and doors will it affect the structural integrity of the building?

My advice would be to get a structural engineer to assess the building as is and then ask them to comment on the proposed design - if they can not support the scheme without structural enhancements then Class Q won't be possible. If they can then make sure the report is included in the submission.

Thank you, we have paid several £k to two different structural engineer firms who have both said it's full structural sound, and ticks all the boxes for q planning, we have changed agents as the first one clearly was well out of the depth, and the second agent recommend a different firm. All the planners seam to do it, turn down on q planning applications and say you need to apply for full planning, knowing full well you won't get it! You can see from photos hardly going to fall down!

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Thank you, we have paid several £k to two different structural engineer firms who have both said it's full structural sound, and ticks all the boxes for q planning, we have changed agents as the first one clearly was well out of the depth, and the second agent recommend a different firm. All the planners seam to do it, turn down on q planning applications and say you need to apply for full planning, knowing full well you won't get it! You can see from photos hardly going to fall down!View attachment 1040282View attachment 1040283View attachment 1040284

I can see no reason why that would not comply with the requirements for Class Q.

 

[Martyn]

I can see no reason why that would not comply with the requirements for Class Q.

The planning report just says that as it has to be split into several buildings internally to meet the space requirements for q planning then the building work will exceed what's allowed for q planning. Three different applications all similar just fully turned down, our agent says council just rejecting all applications..

 

[George from SJM Planning]

The planning report just says that as it has to be split into several buildings internally to meet the space requirements for q planning then the building work will exceed what's allowed for q planning. Three different applications all similar just fully turned down, our agent says council just rejecting all applications..

Subdivision has never been a problem in my experience. Have any of the other applications been taken to appeal? I would be interested in reading them.

 

[TheTallGuy]

The planning report just says that as it has to be split into several buildings internally to meet the space requirements for q planning then the building work will exceed what's allowed for q planning. Three different applications all similar just fully turned down, our agent says council just rejecting all applications..

Ask them to provide citations to the relevant laws, official guidance and case law/appeals that backs their assertions - as it is a permitted development it is their responsibility to disprove your application complies rather than you prove that it does.

 

[Martyn]

Subdivision has never been a problem in my experience. Have any of the other applications been taken to appeal? I would be interested in reading them.

I'll try and get hold of copies, I haven't seen them myself just what our agent has said. He claims there is an individual within the planning department who hates Q planning and he instructs all to be turned down.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I'll try and get hold of copies, I haven't seen them myself just what our agent has said. He claims there is an individual within the planning department who hates Q planning and he instructs all to be turned down.

That may be the case but Class Q is black and white and there is plenty of case law.

 

[Martyn]

PA22/01717 | Prior Approval for change of use of existing agricultural building into two dwellinghouses, following partial demolition of the agricultural building. |

Online planning registers for Cornwall. View and comment on planning applications and documents online.

planning.cornwall.gov.uk

This was our application

 

[Martyn]

That may be the case but Class Q is black and white and there is plenty of case law.

Here is another local one to us. https://planning.cornwall.gov.uk/on...ils.do?keyVal=R82NE9FG0CQ00&activeTab=summary

 

[robs1]

I'll try and get hold of copies, I haven't seen them myself just what our agent has said. He claims there is an individual within the planning department who hates Q planning and he instructs all to be turned down.

Many planning officers think they are above the law and can make decisions on their personal whim, too many applicants take that as gospel instead of fighting them.

 

[Nearly]

@Forever Fendt

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Here is another local one to us. https://planning.cornwall.gov.uk/on...ils.do?keyVal=R82NE9FG0CQ00&activeTab=summary

This one had proposed to replace most of the external materials. They shot for the builderble proposal from the outset.
The key to a Class Q is to retain as much as possible, even if it looks undesirable - there is no design element to the consideration of Class Q.
Once the Class Q is approved then reapply for full planning for the additional alterations. The Class Q will form a significant fallback position.

P.s the link for yours doesn't work

 

[teslacoils]

I'll try and get hold of copies, I haven't seen them myself just what our agent has said. He claims there is an individual within the planning department who hates Q planning and he instructs all to be turned down.

Sounds like the type of person who likes to spaff the council's money away then.

 

[robs1]

This one had proposed to replace most of the external materials. They shot for the builderble proposal from the outset.
The key to a Class Q is to retain as much as possible, even if it looks undesirable - there is no design element to the consideration of Class Q.
Once the Class Q is approved then reapply for full planning for the additional alterations. The Class Q will form a significant fallback position.

P.s the link for yours doesn't work

Have you had anyone give up pd rights in exchange for a new build ? We have several barns we could get class q on but I would rather build a log cabin for ourselves and would be willing to give up the class q in exchange

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Have you had anyone give up pd rights in exchange for a new build ? We have several barns we could get class q on but I would rather build a log cabin for ourselves and would be willing to give up the class q in exchange

That seems like a reasonable suggestion. Would need to be a well formed arguement as a planning officer may not see the reasoning and there is no longer an option to talk to the case officer.

 

[Nearly]

Have you had anyone give up pd rights in exchange for a new build ? We have several barns we could get class q on but I would rather build a log cabin for ourselves and would be willing to give up the class q in exchange

Conversion of 5 barns into cottages traded for one log cabin which they will try and get an ag tag on.
Location is everything but that looks like a poor deal to me.