Claydon Hybrid M - 4 metre

[Flintstone]

Anyone using one? And if so, what HP are you pulling it with?

 

[Andrew K]

You want 200hp on heavy land, IMO.

 

[Bumble Bee]

I have 200hp on a 3m hybrid and it's been on it's knees this autumn. It was a bit wet to be honest and land was very heavy.

 

[E_B]

I have 200hp on a 3m hybrid and it's been on it's knees this autumn. It was a bit wet to be honest and land was very heavy.

How did crop establishment turn out?

 

[Bumble Bee]

Fine on the earlier drilled stuff, but some of the later drilled stuff either drowned/rotted or what did grow was plagued with slugs.
Lighter land has faired better but still had slug problems.
There was just no drying this season so very little was drilled in what you would call good conditions.

 

[CATengustav]

Hello.
I have a New Holland tg 285 on My hybrid 4 meter. In 2014 we had very dry and our heavy clay was extremly Hard and the tg had to work hard. In 2015 it was very wet and i could use 220 hp on the same field. So i think in between 200 and 300 hp.

 

[Andrew K]

Alot depends on how well structured your soils are, and how deep you insist on running the front tine IMO.

 

[CATengustav]

I posted two videos on youtube.

 

[Robert]

180hp 7530 here on "medium clay loam". Can put the leading tine in but try and only run it just below seeding coulter generally. People run 4.80s on same tractor but as with anything that goes in the ground you really want to see it on your land, wet and dry, up hill and down dale.......

 

[Tompkins]

In the past we pulled a 6m with 280hp, it was constantly on its knees but got the job done. Now on 370hp, no problems!!

 

[Douglasmn]

Used a 3 metre hybrid on a 130hp tractor and coped absolutely fine. Tractor barely knew the drill was there. The drill doesn't move that much soil so by logic shouldn't need that much horsepower.

 

[bald on top]

Agree with Douglasmn, run 3m hydrid with JD6620 125hp on medium loam,no problem.

 

[Monocock]

Thanks all.

So, 300-370 hp for a 6m, and 130 hp for a 3m!!!

I assume I would be fine with 185 hp on a 4m then.

 

[Andrew K]

Yes, if on levellish ground, medium soil?

 

[Brisel]

Anyone using one? And if so, what HP are you pulling it with?

A mate has 280 hp on a 4.8m (58hp/m) Hybrid which it pulls easily at 12 kph on steep flints & clay cap. He now wishes he'd bought the 6m version. He & I went to Compton Estate in Hants last year. They have some very steep & heavy clay. HP requirement was highest in year 1 of the Claydon having run a subsoiler based min till system before. Year 2 onwards saw 20 - 30% less hp required as the soil structure improved.

Can you spec a 3m one with the ability to increase to 4m later without major surgery? 50 hp/m should be plenty if you start shallow in year 1 then go deeper later. For spring cropping you could always go deep with a cover crop in the autumn then much shallower in the spring. Just an idea.

 

[Flintstone]

Thanks for that. I agree with all you say, except the cover crop bit. IMHO, theyre a bit of a sugar pill, and they're costing farmers considerably more than any benefit they are deriving from them.

But, they're fashionable, so I suppose they're here to stay.

 

[Simon C]

Thanks for that. I agree with all you say, except the cover crop bit. IMHO, theyre a bit of a sugar pill, and they're costing farmers considerably more than any benefit they are deriving from them.

But, they're fashionable, so I suppose they're here to stay.

I 'll give them five years, that's how long I kept trying with no obvious benefits before I saw the light.

 

[Mr Charisma]

I 'll give them five years, that's how long I kept trying with no obvious benefits before I saw the light.

Rightly or wrongly we are trying cover crops again this year , might come to the same conclusion as you after 5 years but ,,,,,,,, I have a landlord who has over wintered stubble on the ELS scheme which we can't touch till a Aug 15 , we try and then do something to it but it comes up bloody awfull , if the combine has thrown a bit over then the stripey bits cultivate ok but where there was no growth then there was no life in the soil ,
So can someone whilst we are on the subject explain the difference between the rooting habits of OSR and mustard , the OSR land always seems to be in good condition , yet any land that we have planted Mustard in at a similar drilling date the soil under the growing crop seems to be very sad , I thought it may be seed rate and to much vegetation not letting the ground see the sun light but tried a lower seed rate last year and there was no real difference

 

[Brisel]

Mustard isn't so great underground even if what's above ground looks great. This isn't a cover crop thread, though I would argue that they have a place but not at the kind of cost the seed trade want us to spend!

@Simon C feeds his soils carbon in other ways IIRC.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Thanks for that. I agree with all you say, except the cover crop bit. IMHO, theyre a bit of a sugar pill, and they're costing farmers considerably more than any benefit they are deriving from them.

But, they're fashionable, so I suppose they're here to stay.

I don't go crazy on them but they have a good role at times. All depends on crop type, following crop and weather at and before planting