Cleavers

[czechmate]

I have a small patch of oats which due to low rate liberator have no weeds, except cleavers. I don’t have a starane type product but I do still have a lot of MCPA and 24d which I mix for grass fields. Would on of those or a mix kill cleavers?
The labels only talk about perennial weeds
tia

 

[woodylane]

Neither of them would control cleavers, you need a fluroxypyr, mecroprop or florasulam product.

 

[czechmate]

interesting, the previous owner left some of these behind, I normally use it on scruffy patches of grass...

 

[bobk]

CMPP kills cleavers

 

[Brisel]

CMPP kills cleavers

It's not great at it & needs warmth to work well, by which time the cleavers are usually too big.

interesting, the previous owner left some of these behind, I normally use it on scruffy patches of grass...

I'd keep that for a more general broad leafed weed control or your scruffy grass.

Neither of them would control cleavers, you need a fluroxypyr, mecroprop or florasulam product.

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[czechmate]

It's not great at it & needs warmth to work well, by which time the cleavers are usually too big.



I'd keep that for a more general broad leafed weed control or your scruffy grass.



This

Starane

as an aside, back in my leek growing days, I used to use starane. They would literally be lying on the floor the next day (scary as hell the first time) but did pick themselves up

 

[bobk]

It's not great at it & needs warmth to work well, by which time the cleavers are usually too big.

I was assuming he'd got more crap lying around that's all
Fluroxpyr at £4 an acre shouldn't break the bank

 

[woodylane]

Starane

as an aside, back in my leek growing days, I used to use starane. They would literally be lying on the floor the next day (scary as hell the first time) but did pick themselves up

Yes if you want to get any kind of control with weeds in leeks you risk doing damage, transplanted leeks fair better but sown leeks are hard work

 

[czechmate]

Yes if you want to get any kind of control with weeds in leeks you risk doing damage, transplanted leeks fair better but sown leeks are hard work

Tell me about it. I grew the barsteward things for 20 years. If you grow them, too too from adas some 25/30
Years ago, quarter rate guesagaurd mixed with just eighth rate totril gave good contact control, bizarrely even annual meadow grass

 

[deleted user 837354]

I have a small patch of oats which due to low rate liberator have no weeds, except cleavers. I don’t have a starane type product but I do still have a lot of MCPA and 24d which I mix for grass fields. Would on of those or a mix kill cleavers?
The labels only talk about perennial weeds
tia

2,4D and MCPA won't do anything to cleavers. Need mecoprop-p or fluroxypyr/florasulam. Check approvals on oats mind as I can't remember. Don't use any of these mind until the weather is warming up a bit and they are actively growing.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Tell me about it. I grew the barsteward things for 20 years. If you grow them, too too from adas some 25/30
Years ago, quarter rate guesagaurd mixed with just eighth rate totril gave good contact control, bizarrely even if annual meadow grass

Totril, cripes now we are going down memory lane.

 

[czechmate]

Totril, cripes now we are going down memory lane.

Has it gone?
Memory lane, first year I was growing veg, I was using aldrin.

18 deg here by the way

 

[deleted user 837354]

Has it gone?
Memory lane, first year I was growing veg, I was using aldrin.

18 deg here by the way

Ioxynil long gone now IIRC. I used to mix it with Atlantis.

 

[czechmate]

Ioxynil long gone now IIRC. I used to mix it with Atlantis.

Thinking about this, while spraying wild oats out of beans, off topic but it’s my topic, what did tortil add to Atlantis?

 

[Bogweevil]

Off topic, but this is why I marvel that so many veg growers are so agin AHDB:

Emerger 19056​

GB and NI​

20201100 16/04/2020 31/01/2025​

Bayer CropScience Limited​

aclonifen​

Outdoor celery, Outdoor leek, Outdoor salad onion​

black bindweed (Fallopia convolvulus), chickweed, cleavers (Galium aparine), fat hen (Chenopodium album), knotgrass (Polygonum aviculare), nettle (Urtica dioica), oil seed rape more​

 

[deleted user 837354]

Thinking about this, while spraying wild oats out of beans, off topic but it’s my topic, what did tortil add to Atlantis?

Some weird and wonderful BLWs that Atlantis didn't really do well. Things like speedwell.

 

[Bogweevil]

Some weird and wonderful BLWs that Atlantis didn't really do well. Things like speedwell.

And fumitory to some extent

 

[deleted user 837354]

And fumitory to some extent

It did have a go at many things, I know fumitory used to shrug off one of the SUs from memory, also it bleached up brassica type weeds, can't remember what it did to cleavers from memory.

 

[Brisel]

Fumitory isn't controlled by the likes of metsulfuron in Ally Max, Harmony M etc. CMPP does it well