climate change and animals

Raider112

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If you read the report it does talk about changing the nation's diet.

There's a link to the report on here.

https://www.theccc.org.uk/2018/11/1...t-our-use-of-land-supports-reduced-emissions/
Interesting to see that farmers, who by the nature of their job can turn their hand to almost anything (vet, joiner, welder, electrician, plumber, etc. etc) would need assistance with skills, training and information in order to plant a few trees.
Not a dig at you Fallowfield, just happened to be your link.
 

GeorgeK

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Leicestershire
If you read the report it does talk about changing the nation's diet.

There's a link to the report on here.

https://www.theccc.org.uk/2018/11/1...t-our-use-of-land-supports-reduced-emissions/
Thanks, yes of course the article omits the part about consumer habits needing to change. And the plan on how to do that... nutritional guidelines! But considering how strictly the population currently adheres to these perhaps my original point is still partly relevant. I think the report has some good ideas, not so impressed that Roger Harrabin's write up misses this crucial balancing point however
 

tinsheet

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Somerset
There are 4 million cows in the UK producing 1.2 tonnes of carbon each a year, that's 5 million tonnes.
An average car produces 150 grams of carbon per kilometre, at an average of 15000 kilometres a year that is around 2 tonnes per car. 30 million cars in the uk = 60 millions tonnes of carbon produced. Not including buses, lorries and bloody planes.
And they have the front to blame cows, lazy!!!

Taken from facebook!
 

hendrebc

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Livestock Farmer
There are 4 million cows in the UK producing 1.2 tonnes of carbon each a year, that's 5 million tonnes.
An average car produces 150 grams of carbon per kilometre, at an average of 15000 kilometres a year that is around 2 tonnes per car. 30 million cars in the uk = 60 millions tonnes of carbon produced. Not including buses, lorries and bloody planes.
And they have the front to blame cows, lazy!!!

Taken from facebook!
There is a lot of potential for grazing livestock to sequester a hell of a lot of carbon too if they were managed a bit differently. Not a chance in hell of anything with wheels being carbon positive.
Im think utsi @Agrispeed has a lot of carbon audits done on his farm and his farm captures more carbon than it produces. Sure @Kiwi Pete has said similar about his farm too. This is the only way to shut up the anti livestock people. They won't give up their planes or cars were on a hiding to nothing saying that they should. Even though we all should.
 

topground

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
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Posted elsewhere but these are clearly the answer for converting forage which will grow where crops can't be planted, on the uplands and sidling land.
Seems to tick all of the 'experts' boxes and would probably sort out a Lynx in a fair fight.
No idea if they will survive on the hills or how many to the acre but no doubt an ecologist, environmentalist, conservationist or some other kind of 'ist will be along in a minute to tell is all how to do it.
Next year Rodney!
 

Agrispeed

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Location
Cornwall
There is a lot of potential for grazing livestock to sequester a hell of a lot of carbon too if they were managed a bit differently. Not a chance in hell of anything with wheels being carbon positive.
Im think utsi @Agrispeed has a lot of carbon audits done on his farm and his farm captures more carbon than it produces. Sure @Kiwi Pete has said similar about his farm too. This is the only way to shut up the anti livestock people. They won't give up their planes or cars were on a hiding to nothing saying that they should. Even though we all should.

My business partner has spent the last 2 days wondering around swearing about the CCC report. He has been doing some work on policy and there are quite a lot of very anti-livestock/vegetarian/vegan scientists behind some of these reports, who are quite high up in some quite important organisations.

We capture over a Kg of carbon per L of milk produced including all emissions and inputs. we are sequestering about 350t annually on 140ac.

If the people in charge want to make a difference (and they need to, quickly) promoting grazing livestock is the answer. Nothing comes close in terms of carbon sequestration on reasonable land, improving OM means less fertiliser on arable crops etc, it just makes sense.

Forestry does perhaps make sense on more marginal land but a recommendation to grow intensive forestry on former grassland to produce biomass, which gets burnt, relying on developments in carbon scrubbers to re-capture the carbon is just f**king stupid. Its just nonsense. strokers.

I don't doubt cows produce 10% or whatever of UK emissions. However, not then taking into account the sequestration that could not happen without grazing ruminants is complete rubbish.

We are currently looking into who has funded these reports.
 

delilah

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At some point the environmental movement and the livestock industry will wake up to the fact that they are each others greatest ally, in that reducing 'food miles' is possibly the single most important way in which a household can reduce its environmental impact.
Wont happen though until each side extracts its head from its own backside and stops slagging the other off. Not holding my breath.
 

Andy84

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It goes on to say that wildlife is being reduced by intensive farming, while previously it was condemning the most extensive systems (beef & sheep) while predicting an increase in pigs & chickens. Unbelievable!

Pigs and chickens? The two things that require feeding the most concentrates!? It's unbelievable! The lunitics are running the asylum with militants animal right vegans as a sub contractor!
 
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Pigs and chickens? The two things that require feeding the most concentrates!? It's unbelievable! The lunitics are running the asylum with militants animal right vegans as a sub contractor!
It’s unbelievable isn’t it, if anything they should be promoting sheep meat consumption which spends its entire life at grass and does most of its finishing at grass not pigs and chickens which are fed hard feed from birth to slaughter
 

topground

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
The hypocracy of the BBC highlighted this week with a news report about climate change conference and its focus on the 'damage' agriculture does to the environment, closely followed by Richard Branson's project to put tourists into space at £200K each for 90 minutes.
A rich mans project to provide a day out for other rich men irrespective of the damage it does to the environment.
Meanwhile the rest of the planet needs to eat.
 
The hypocrisy of the BBC highlighted this week with a news report about climate change conference and its focus on the 'damage' agriculture does to the environment, closely followed by Richard Branson's project to put tourists into space at £200K each for 90 minutes.
A rich mans project to provide a day out for other rich men irrespective of the damage it does to the environment.
Meanwhile the rest of the planet needs to eat.
Best post I've seen on the whole sorry saga, the Hypocrisy of most climate zealots never ceases to amaze me.
 

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