Climate crisis: Scientists spot warning signs of Gulf Stream collapse

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Haha but thats the issue what are we going to forgoe in the name of climate change and i am as guilty as everyone else, Look at the line up of trucks for transporting stuff to the F1 race at silverstone etc the list goes on and on. We have to forgoe stuff and thats the question no one wants to face.....
aww , kill joy , not even if i offset my emissions , like stop eating baked beans ? :sneaky:
 

wrenbird

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Livestock Farmer
Location
HR2
avoid, or practise?

I've been thinking about it as i've been hunting stray coos out on the veldt today.
I really wouldn't have an issue with it, if the circumstances dictated such.
I would sooner do the despatch with my own hand, and think I can see how the 'eating your enemies' thing worked in PNG etc.
Obviously, it'd be a long way off, given i've a very good supply of beef...but that would soon evaporate if hungry urban millions were streaming out after it.
It'd be their turn then!

It seems beyond belief just the now, with venison worth almost nothing, rabbits likewise, and windfall apples that will lie wasted...........but that changes real fast I daresay, when Mcwimpy/Aldi has closed its doors
I think I would only take a chance on one that was certified organic, have you seen what most of them eat, imbibe, smoke, inject, sniff up their snout?! :sick:
 

GeorgeC1

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The main issue is there are too many people on the planet and we consume too much, just look at the containers of plastic crap that come over to populate amazon. Everyone has to cut back, reduce flights, holidays, ask do they need this stuff they just ordered etc The issue is few are prepared, look how many people have to have a new iphone and dump the old one, go to a music concert, PCP a new car every 3 years etc. We are all as guilty to be honest but thats the only way stuff will change, the issue is they are hard choices and few have the appetite.

There will be another population boom and then the population will stabilise around 2100, the best way to combat overpopulation is to develop the third world, it'll increase population initially but will lead to the Birthrate being below replacement levels.
 

Wombat

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BASIS
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East yorks
There will be another population boom and then the population will stabilise around 2100, the best way to combat overpopulation is to develop the third world, it'll increase population initially but will lead to the Birthrate being below replacement levels.

So then everyone is going to have to give up stuff then if they want to fight climate change and that means luxuries for the western world, holidays, cars, phones, tech, social activities like it or not as the current population is not sustainable and 80yrs will be too long.
 

melted welly

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Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
“Turkey’s voting for Christmas”

a favourite line rolled out again.

But who are the turkey’s?

Is it the people with the means and skillsets to feed and provide for their family using sun, soil, water and time?

Or is it the people moving to remove themselves from, and ultimately shut down that supply of food and place their faith in the factories and labs to secure their future food supply?

one cyber attack away from collapse.

I’ll be fine……..

Gobble gobble Georgie 🦃
 

cows sh#t me to tears

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Livestock Farmer

Third paragraph.....Who was responsible for Antarctica being a tropical rainforest and there being NO global ice sheets nor glaciers??
Of course the damn climate changes. Why the left wing woke insist everything must remain "unchanged" is flabbergasting.
 

Martin Holden

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Trade
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Cheltenham
Halve the amount of fossil fuels being for energy now and the job is sorted. All the rest like cow farts, planting trees, rewilding, veganism etc is irrelevant nonsense peddled by groups and corporations with vested interests of one sort or another.
Maybe an answer but small hurdle here - changing mankind’s habits of the last 40/60 years. Seems fossil fuels are now the big target by environmentalists and politicians so expect an even bigger drive for electrification despite all that that entails using precious resources. One thing that would reduce consumption would be if man were travel less globally. Is this the end of “cheap” air flights as we have become used to? Much has to change and much will change in the next 50 years for sure
 

GeorgeC1

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Maybe an answer but small hurdle here - changing mankind’s habits of the last 40/60 years. Seems fossil fuels are now the big target by environmentalists and politicians so expect an even bigger drive for electrification despite all that that entails using precious resources. One thing that would reduce consumption would be if man were travel less globally. Is this the end of “cheap” air flights as we have become used to? Much has to change and much will change in the next 50 years for sure

or localising supply chains, Made in Britain or at least made in Europe is better then made in china, assembled in the US and sent to Germany then transported to the UK.
 

Raider112

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There will be another population boom and then the population will stabilise around 2100, the best way to combat overpopulation is to develop the third world, it'll increase population initially but will lead to the Birthrate being below replacement levels.
When the big famines in Africa were all the news it was always said that sending food over just encouraged more breeding, leading to bigger problems down the line in Countries that couldn't sustain larger populations.
They used to say just send a ship load of bricks but you probably can't say that now!
 

GeorgeC1

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When the big famines in Africa were all the news it was always said that sending food over just encouraged more breeding, leading to bigger problems down the line in Countries that couldn't sustain larger populations.
They used to say just send a ship load of bricks but you probably can't say that now!

long term improving living standards decreases birthrates, that's what happend in the UK in the Industrial Revolution.
 
I think the covid virus was nature trying to reset the balance on a overcrowded planet but is being thwarted by vaccines in the developed world Extreme weather will yet do the same wiping out a huge amount of life on the planet only to let it remerge at a much lower density.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Maybe an answer but small hurdle here - changing mankind’s habits of the last 40/60 years. Seems fossil fuels are now the big target by environmentalists and politicians so expect an even bigger drive for electrification despite all that that entails using precious resources. One thing that would reduce consumption would be if man were travel less globally. Is this the end of “cheap” air flights as we have become used to? Much has to change and much will change in the next 50 years for sure
35 years ago I went to Australia, my ticket cost about £1000, the same flight now is about £750, think how much £1000 was worth then too, so flights have become unbelievably cheap
 

GeorgeC1

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Problem is improving living standards in poor countries will increase the amount of co2 they are producing. They will all want cars, holidays and consumer goods. Poor people don't damage the environment to the extent we do in the west.

The Challenge is to do that in a sustainable way.
 

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

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