Collie pups for £1000+...,

[Boydvalley]

Another great post longlowdog and will definitely start my search now , the dog would definitely be my mate and very much part of the family .

Collies just need stimulation and just being out and about with you is normally enough. Mine is spoilt rotten by the family but is still keen as mustard with the flock. They are great companions, would hate to be without mine now even if I didn’t have a flock.

 

[spark_28]

Collies just need stimulation and just being out and about with you is normally enough. Mine is spoilt rotten by the family but is still keen as mustard with the flock. They are great companions, would hate to be without mine now even if I didn’t have a flock.

weve had collies all our lives and they could go weeks without working and still be fine, agree with what youre saying stimulation is key.

if anyone in scotland has any collie pups available in Scotland for not ridiculous money i am looking!

 

[Adeptandy]

Reading some of these posts and smiling, some of you have no idea what rules, regs and hoops to do the job properly we have to jump through, I'd rather have 2 Farm assurance inspections than either 1 by the Kennel Club or Local Council to maintain the accreditation. Its no longer a bit of straw in the shed job down the bottom of the garden. We now have to put air condioning in for the dogs in the kennels and whelping room by the summer, its already got underfloor heating. Anything less than £1000/pup and its not worth doing it.

 

[Fendt516profi]

very well written and thought provoking post Anymulewilldo , am thinking of getting my first collie but with only a small flock of 200 mule lambs am not sure I will have no where near enough work to stimulate the dog , but trying to get the sods in on your own is nigh on impossible .

Another way to look at it is give a old dog a good home find somebody with a older dog who works big numbers on large acres and the dog just tiring with the work. Your 200 will keep it going but not give it much trouble even sheep in the presence of a dog behave better then when there's no dog there at all

 

[Cowslip]

this is pip she is 5yrs old cost me £250 as a pup, I trained her to work with no previous experience. She works the sheep and cattle over 2000acres of marshes, she knows every bridge and ditch and I couldn't be without her, she is also a family pet brilliant with my 3 year old and lives indoors, will happily sit on a tractor during the summer. Friends have commented what a fantastic worker she is and they have paid to have all there's trained away. Many people have asked if I would breed from her but I'm not sure if it would spoil her.

 

[Bury the Trash]

View attachment 923840View attachment 923841this is pip she is 5yrs old cost me £250 as a pup, I trained her to work with no previous experience. She works the sheep and cattle over 2000acres of marshes, she knows every bridge and ditch and I couldn't be without her, she is also a family pet brilliant with my 3 year old and lives indoors, will happily sit on a tractor during the summer. Friends have commented what a fantastic worker she is and they have paid to have all there's trained away. Many people have asked if I would breed from her but I'm not sure if it would spoil her.

Could be Youre a natural with dogs? well done .
It would take her out of action / distract her for awhile that's for sure. You would miss her not working for that time.
'Those people ' wouldnt have to do the work / hassle risks of the breeding either would they .

 

[egbert]

View attachment 923840View attachment 923841this is pip she is 5yrs old cost me £250 as a pup, I trained her to work with no previous experience. She works the sheep and cattle over 2000acres of marshes, she knows every bridge and ditch and I couldn't be without her, she is also a family pet brilliant with my 3 year old and lives indoors, will happily sit on a tractor during the summer. Friends have commented what a fantastic worker she is and they have paid to have all there's trained away. Many people have asked if I would breed from her but I'm not sure if it would spoil her.

Lovely bitch.
this is the very dog you should breed from!
(I'd think about a dog pup if you do)

It's like those ossie wimmen - gender non specific- who breed from a mare that's gone lame and can't be ridden.
NO, shoot that one, and breed from the best one.

 

[Hooby Farmer]

View attachment 923840View attachment 923841this is pip she is 5yrs old cost me £250 as a pup, I trained her to work with no previous experience. She works the sheep and cattle over 2000acres of marshes, she knows every bridge and ditch and I couldn't be without her, she is also a family pet brilliant with my 3 year old and lives indoors, will happily sit on a tractor during the summer. Friends have commented what a fantastic worker she is and they have paid to have all there's trained away. Many people have asked if I would breed from her but I'm not sure if it would spoil her.

What a lovely pup I would happily take a bitch.

I used to breed staffies when I was younger. Had pups go all over Denmark, Sweden, Croatia and South Africa. It was more down to the stud owner he had all the contacts but 3-500 is all we could get. I met this old guy at a show once that took a look at my bitch and he liked what he saw and the rest was history, his words were always breed by type dont get to mixed up with the breed standard and bloodlines. However im very dubious to breed again after not doing it for few years I really love to make sure my dogs get a good home, in fact gave away more dogs than we sold. Blue staffys getting big money is a joke as its a recessive gene and only desirable for breeders trying to cash in.

The pup in picture below could win shows just by turning up i have his daughter who is twice the dog but there's too much show dog in her and would be anxious. Then the pot licker i got for my bday that cost £40 last October, doing my best to train her but its my first dog.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Lovely bitch.
this is the very dog you should breed from!
(I'd think about a dog pup if you do)

It's like those ossie wimmen - gender non specific- who breed from a mare that's gone lame and can't be ridden.
NO, shoot that one, and breed from the best one.

People that breed from knacker horses want shooting themselves! "Ooh she hasn't the temperament to be ridden so we made her a brood mare"

Unfortunately it seems to be the same demographic that campaign most vehemently against horse slaughter for human consumption.

 

[Dry Rot]

@Cobblers my shooting spaniels only have a 'working' season from August till Feb 1st but come to no harm whatsoever. They are however my friends, they accompany me everywhere. They are house dogs which supposedly ruins them for work too but seems to have made no difference to mine. If their minds are occupied regardless of the type of stimulus it does them good. There are plenty of folk with 200 sheep for whom a collie that only knows the basics is still a great asset and a great friend. You'd be amazed at how well dogs from first time trainers do as they generally invest much more time in the pup and seek to learn as they go along at a pace similar to the pups.
@J 1177 I bought my cocker in 2004 for £600 and never regret that investment, as a worker she was worth 4 beaters without dogs, as a friend she was priceless. If I could buy her as a pup now I would easily justify her at £2,000. An eye-wipe retrieve on a January morning gives the same thrill as closing the gate on a quietly and efficiently gathered flock of sheep. As a willing farm servant who can sire or breed their own replacements they are worth far more than we pay but I guess the gist of this thread is to note just how many folk have jumped on the bandwagon and began profiteering from a freak year and how perhaps it will have repercussions both for the future price of pups and their welfare.
Am I a hypocrite for buying pups dear and selling low. I don't think so. I buy from guys/ladies whose career is their dogs. They field trial/sheep dog trial to gain a reputation, travel the length of the country. invest in stock and their training time needs a financial value.

Some gundogs (and working breeds) cannot be kept in the dual role of worker/house pet, they are simply too hyper. Fine until they get a whiff of game, then any door or window left open and they are gone! It's not a question of spoiling them so much as the Devil finds work for idle hands. My German shepherds are never on the lead, on the other hand, they are always either kennelled or under my close supervision. Would you really want this smelly lot in the house? They do actually catch the odd rabbit and have a lot of fun trying! But what they really want is a burglar!!

 

[Longlowdog]

I have had Lab's, springers, cockers and working collies indoors. Each has had a switch that turned on when they knew they were going out and turned up to eleven when actually working. My spaniels would watch me all day using a chainsaw without straying or getting their nose down in woods we would be walked up shooting in two days time. Having different kinds of stimulation virtually all day, virtually every day made them genuine dual purpose work/house dogs.

 

[Dry Rot]

I have had Lab's, springers, cockers and working collies indoors. Each has had a switch that turned on when they knew they were going out and turned up to eleven when actually working. My spaniels would watch me all day using a chainsaw without straying or getting their nose down in woods we would be walked up shooting in two days time. Having different kinds of stimulation virtually all day, virtually every day made them genuine dual purpose work/house dogs.

And then there are the other sort. They call them sheep worriers. Would that because they sit in front of the fire worrying about sheep?

 

[unlacedgecko]

View attachment 923840View attachment 923841this is pip she is 5yrs old cost me £250 as a pup, I trained her to work with no previous experience. She works the sheep and cattle over 2000acres of marshes, she knows every bridge and ditch and I couldn't be without her, she is also a family pet brilliant with my 3 year old and lives indoors, will happily sit on a tractor during the summer. Friends have commented what a fantastic worker she is and they have paid to have all there's trained away. Many people have asked if I would breed from her but I'm not sure if it would spoil her.

Id breed that bitch. She's just the right age for a pup to learn from her and be ready to take over as pip retires.

 

[Dave6170]

We have a lab and a jack Russell in the house. I would like a working dog that stays in a kennel outside but all the thefts I read about is putting me off.

 

[unlacedgecko]

#StockDog Nells.

I paid £100 for her as a part trained 18 month old. She has carried my business these past 5 years. Currently she's main dog running 1700 ewes and 1600 store lambs.

I bred her last year and kept 2 pups back. The plan is for them to take over from her in the next couple of years.

It felt like my right arm was missing for the 4 weeks she had off work (she worked until the last week of pregnancy and came back for odd days once the pups eyes opened). But the pups are more than worth it.

 

[MRT]

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#StockDog Nells.

I paid £100 for her as a part trained 18 month old. She has carried my business these past 5 years. Currently she's main dog running 1700 ewes and 1600 store lambs.

I bred her last year and kept 2 pups back. The plan is for them to take over from her in the next couple of years.

It felt like my right arm was missing for the 4 weeks she had off work (she worked until the last week of pregnancy and came back for odd days once the pups eyes opened). But the pups are more than worth it.

I thought for a moment she had killed another dog and had its paw in her mouth!

 

[unlacedgecko]

I thought for a moment she had killed another dog and had its paw in her mouth!

She's a bit sharp, but no fatalities just yet.

Had a stock marker can explode in the back of the truck. She's spent the last week looking extra ferocious with her white muzzle being red.

 

[CopperBeech]

Reading some of these posts and smiling, some of you have no idea what rules, regs and hoops to do the job properly we have to jump through, I'd rather have 2 Farm assurance inspections than either 1 by the Kennel Club or Local Council to maintain the accreditation. Its no longer a bit of straw in the shed job down the bottom of the garden. We now have to put air condioning in for the dogs in the kennels and whelping room by the summer, its already got underfloor heating. Anything less than £1000/pup and its not worth doing it.

I'm pretty sure a lot of folk breeding any bitch they have for the coin at this time, dont all have under floor heated kennels. . . . . . .

 

[CopperBeech]

Another way to look at it is give a old dog a good home find somebody with a older dog who works big numbers on large acres and the dog just tiring with the work. Your 200 will keep it going but not give it much trouble even sheep in the presence of a dog behave better then when there's no dog there at all

Not sure how often this happens - I always see adverts with folk wanting to 'give a good home' (have for free) to an older working who can work a couple of hundred ewes and lambs, has sides, stop, quiet in the kennel, rides on quad or in truck, will catch a ewe. . . . .

Wonder how many folk look at their old dog and think, sure off you go.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Not sure how often this happens - I always see adverts with folk wanting to 'give a good home' (have for free) to an older working who can work a couple of hundred ewes and lambs, has sides, stop, quiet in the kennel, rides on quad or in truck, will catch a ewe. . . . .

Wonder how many folk look at their old dog and think, sure off you go.

Always worked on the basis that any working dog is due it’s retirement time here. And retirement usually means “the dog who brings sheep too and from the holding Croft’s”

I know of 1 person who gave away their 11 year old bitch as she couldn’t manage the moor any longer to someone they thought of as a “friend”. That dog was next seen at a sheepdog sale in Wales and was sold. The fellas son went round too see the “friend” one night and pointed out what a twunt he was and what he’d do too him if he ever set foot on their farm again.