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Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
Thanks for the replies to my question about non defaultable sales of milling premiums
I'm suspicious that should i do this my wheat will test at 12.8% - get rejected for milling - they will them make me deliver as feed (but send it for milling anyway and pocket the difference)
I thought there must be more to this that met the eye and that as usually the buyer would have it tied up so they (as the ones testing the grain) can't lose!
No, they just take it as milling but dock you £3 or so per tonne for being 0.2 under

I sell the premiums all the time. Often four group 4 hard if they’ll give me £5/t, however with more quality wheats about, this premium is becoming harder to get.
 

Brisel

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Midlands
Cant you just sell feed wheat on the day with premiums as applicable?

That just means you've got an unknown premium if any, but that's how I sell my wheat these days.

I grow Group 2 and 4 as feed that might get a small premium in a good year but there's no point in chasing high protein on this light land plus the biggest local mill (Premier at Southampton 750kt/yr) shut 2 years ago. Just the p*ss taking ADM mill at Avonmouth who won't tip a single load without some sort of claim or the tiny Ranks one at Andover.

Thanks for the replies to my question about non defaultable sales of milling premiums
I'm suspicious that should i do this my wheat will test at 12.8% - get rejected for milling - they will them make me deliver as feed (but send it for milling anyway and pocket the difference)
I thought there must be more to this that met the eye and that as usually the buyer would have it tied up so they (as the ones testing the grain) can't lose!

The mill intakes have no idea what you sold it for. If the merchant pays that trick, you'll know where the destination is when you load the lorries - knowing that is a condition of Red Tractor assurance. I got hit for a claim for 74 kg/hl when I sold feed a few years ago. It was a feed only contract so I didn't mind what they did with it but when the contract spec was 72 I wasn't amused at them taking me for a ride. The claim was squashed very quickly following a short sharp phone call!
 

charlie86

Member
Thanks for the replies to my question about non defaultable sales of milling premiums
I'm suspicious that should i do this my wheat will test at 12.8% - get rejected for milling - they will them make me deliver as feed (but send it for milling anyway and pocket the difference)
I thought there must be more to this that met the eye and that as usually the buyer would have it tied up so they (as the ones testing the grain) can't lose!
All the flour mills have fallbacks. So in case of Proteins, it would be £1-£1.50 per point below 13% down to 12% protein. The mills take claims on moisture over 15%, ( but do have right to reject over 15%, as do all feed mills).
It’s not in merchants interest to lie and deceive farmers as they’ll soon get found out and tarnish reputation. You can always ask haulier afterwards where he tipped if you take his mobile number, if you’re that concerned.
 

Lincsman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
All the flour mills have fallbacks. So in case of Proteins, it would be £1-£1.50 per point below 13% down to 12% protein. The mills take claims on moisture over 15%, ( but do have right to reject over 15%, as do all feed mills).
It’s not in merchants interest to lie and deceive farmers as they’ll soon get found out and tarnish reputation. You can always ask haulier afterwards where he tipped if you take his mobile number, if you’re that concerned.
Not all will take a fallback, often if guaranteed over 13% its gets a £3 premium over a contract that needs fallbacks in place, even then some wont tip below 12.5 or 12.

Having said all that when you have nothing over 12.6% in the shed and some loads tip without claim you do wonder if in fact it was tested, or have they still not got the sampling spear working after 2 months!... Nelstrops
 

Brisel

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Midlands
All the flour mills have fallbacks. So in case of Proteins, it would be £1-£1.50 per point below 13% down to 12% protein. The mills take claims on moisture over 15%, ( but do have right to reject over 15%, as do all feed mills).
It’s not in merchants interest to lie and deceive farmers as they’ll soon get found out and tarnish reputation. You can always ask haulier afterwards where he tipped if you take his mobile number, if you’re that concerned.

Tarnish reputation? RHM/Premier Foods at Southampton were engaged in sharp practice & using lorries as free storage for decades FFS! The fact that they used 750,000 tonnes of wheat each year meant that there was a queue of merchants and hauliers willing to tread on each other to supply them. And farmers prepared to load grain for them too.
 

chipchap

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South Shropshire
Thanks for the replies to my question about non defaultable sales of milling premiums
I'm suspicious that should i do this my wheat will test at 12.8% - get rejected for milling - they will them make me deliver as feed (but send it for milling anyway and pocket the difference)
I thought there must be more to this that met the eye and that as usually the buyer would have it tied up so they (as the ones testing the grain) can't lose!
if that is the sort of relationship you have with your customer, then you are trading with the wrong people.
 

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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