Common Vetch. Poisonous?

[Forkdriver]

I have a bit of vetch in the old pastures we make some haylage on. My wife wanted to know what it was, so I said it's fine, nothing to worry about. As she uses the haylage for her horses, and being paranoid about poisonous plants she looked it up, and apparently horses are susceptible, but ruminants are not.
Every day is a learning day.. l now have to walk the field and pull it up

 

[Huno]

I have a bit of vetch in the old pastures we make some haylage on. My wife wanted to know what it was, so I said it's fine, nothing to worry about. As she uses the haylage for her horses, and being paranoid about poisonous plants she looked it up, and apparently horses are susceptible, but ruminants are not.
Every day is a learning day.. l now have to walk the field and pull it up

Horsists eh

 

[hendrebc]

I have a bit of vetch in the old pastures we make some haylage on. My wife wanted to know what it was, so I said it's fine, nothing to worry about. As she uses the haylage for her horses, and being paranoid about poisonous plants she looked it up, and apparently horses are susceptible, but ruminants are not.
Every day is a learning day.. l now have to walk the field and pull it up

Ffs! Tell her to pick it out of the hay!

 

[JSmith]

Shoot the hoss and sell the fodder to a cattle man, saves money, earns money! Winner winner

 

[yellowbelly]

Shoot the hoss and sell the fodder to a cattle man, saves money, earns money! Winner winner

Winner, winner, Tesco's lasagne for dinner

 

[beardface]

Surprised horses aren't allergic to breathing, given how little there allowed to eat.

 

[Forkdriver]

Surprised horses aren't allergic to breathing, given how little there allowed to eat.

And how much it costs.

 

[serf]

Surprised horses aren't allergic to breathing,

Wishfull thinking ....

 

[ollie989898]

I'd imagine virtually any grassland spray would remove it toot-suite.

 

[Kevtherev]

Winner, winner, Tesco's lasagne for dinner

Dressage or sausage

 

[dowcow]

I'd imagine virtually any grassland spray would remove it toot-suite.

Yes. We sow it with the barley for wholecrop, and apart from a pre-em there's nothing you can spray it with that won't kill the vetch. It's a shame you have to remove it as cows love the stuff and it fixes nitrogen.

 

[BAF]

It depends what flavour vetch it is.
Hairy vetch (Vicia Villosa) is poisonous. Well poisonous is probably not quite the right term. It concentrates selenium - without enough selenium horses go thin, all their hair falls out and they die. Too much and they go thin and all their hair falls out and they also die
If its Tufted vetch sometimes called Cow Vetch (Vicia Cracca) then it wont do any harm.
And like everything it depends how much is in there, if theres tonnes of it then it could cause a problem but a bit dotted here and there isn't going to be a problem realistically.

Horses are a bit like emo kids they hate the world and want to die but not really, they just like to look miserable and cause you stress

 

[hendrebc]

It depends what flavour vetch it is.
Hairy vetch (Vicia Villosa) is poisonous. Well poisonous is probably not quite the right term. It concentrates selenium - without enough selenium horses go thin, all their hair falls out and they die. Too much and they go thin and all their hair falls out and they also die
If its Tufted vetch sometimes called Cow Vetch (Vicia Cracca) then it wont do any harm.
And like everything it depends how much is in there, if theres tonnes of it then it could cause a problem but a bit dotted here and there isn't going to be a problem realistically.

Horses are a bit like emo kids they hate the world and want to die but not really, they just like to look miserable and cause you stress

From what I've seen the horses are normally fine it's the people looking after them that cause a lot of the problems.
Horse will be perfectly fine then horse owner sees something that the horse might not like, horse owner gets all stressed and panics, horse thinks oh f**k she's worried about something I should be too... and the cycle of not being able to handle their horse continues to feed on itself and gets worse.
I bet the horse wouldn't give 2 sh1!s about some vetch in its hay. Or dust in its hay, or if you stopped its ridiculously expensive voodoo magic supplements, or if you didn't put a bloody rug on it in winter, or if you used a different type of shavings as it's bed. I could go on....

 

[Farmer Roy]

From what I've seen the horses are normally fine it's the people looking after them that cause a lot of the problems.
Horse will be perfectly fine then horse owner sees something that the horse might not like, horse owner gets all stressed and panics, horse thinks oh f**k she's worried about something I should be too... and the cycle of not being able to handle their horse continues to feed on itself and gets worse.
I bet the horse wouldn't give 2 sh1!s about some vetch in its hay. Or dust in its hay, or if you stopped its ridiculously expensive voodoo magic supplements, or if you didn't put a bloody rug on it in winter, or if you used a different type of shavings as it's bed. I could go on....

working horses on cattle stations here seem to survive pretty well on minimal inputs . . .

 

[BAF]

From what I've seen the horses are normally fine it's the people looking after them that cause a lot of the problems.
Horse will be perfectly fine then horse owner sees something that the horse might not like, horse owner gets all stressed and panics, horse thinks oh f**k she's worried about something I should be too... and the cycle of not being able to handle their horse continues to feed on itself and gets worse.
I bet the horse wouldn't give 2 sh1!s about some vetch in its hay. Or dust in its hay, or if you stopped its ridiculously expensive voodoo magic supplements, or if you didn't put a bloody rug on it in winter, or if you used a different type of shavings as it's bed. I could go on....

I was a professional horseist for a long time. I've worked with them since I was 15, mainly in racing and then had my own business breaking and schooling horses for 12 years. And most horses are fine. There's a few that would be better off in a pie...quite a few actually.
But the biggest problem was the owners.
Just before I broke my leg and packed up doing breakers I had a horse come in and it was a virus.
I had it 3 weeks and could sit on it in the stable but the moment you asked it to move it had a melt down.
I'd never ask anyone to do anything I wouldn't do myself and I would never put anyone in danger, I'd get myself hurt making sure everyone else was safe.
I put the lad on it that was working for me and said whatever it did I'd not let it go and I wouldn't get him hurt. We asked this thing to move and it went absolutely ballistic. Last thing it did was try and jump through a solid block wall and K.O'd itself. He stepped off and it came round.
I went and phoned the woman and wormed the truth out of her. Little dobbin that only needed getting on - the majority of them only needed getting on apparently! - had been 'rescued' 12 months previously and they'd loved him to death and managed to get him to have a head collar on in that whole time and he was going to be her daughters best friend.
Fortunately I snapped my leg in half the following weekend and it had to go home because there was no way even if I'd had it 6 months it would have been kid friendly. But it was idiots like that that I was dealing with on a daily basis.
The step daughter is nearly as bad with her horse now, she loves him to death and annoys him constantly!

 

[JSmith]

If it wasn’t for bad people, there’d be no bad horses!! Simple, it’s how the retards make them

 

[hendrebc]

I was a professional horseist for a long time. I've worked with them since I was 15, mainly in racing and then had my own business breaking and schooling horses for 12 years. And most horses are fine. There's a few that would be better off in a pie...quite a few actually.
But the biggest problem was the owners.
Just before I broke my leg and packed up doing breakers I had a horse come in and it was a virus.
I had it 3 weeks and could sit on it in the stable but the moment you asked it to move it had a melt down.
I'd never ask anyone to do anything I wouldn't do myself and I would never put anyone in danger, I'd get myself hurt making sure everyone else was safe.
I put the lad on it that was working for me and said whatever it did I'd not let it go and I wouldn't get him hurt. We asked this thing to move and it went absolutely ballistic. Last thing it did was try and jump through a solid block wall and K.O'd itself. He stepped off and it came round.
I went and phoned the woman and wormed the truth out of her. Little dobbin that only needed getting on - the majority of them only needed getting on apparently! - had been 'rescued' 12 months previously and they'd loved him to death and managed to get him to have a head collar on in that whole time and he was going to be her daughters best friend.
Fortunately I snapped my leg in half the following weekend and it had to go home because there was no way even if I'd had it 6 months it would have been kid friendly. But it was idiots like that that I was dealing with on a daily basis.
The step daughter is nearly as bad with her horse now, she loves him to death and annoys him constantly!

Well I'm sorry to hear about your leg
But I'm sure your relieved to not have to deal with people like that anymore
Huge generalisation but I've found horse people to be pretty terrible with animals and some of them, more than I see other places anyway, are just flat out terrible human beings. Bad payers, arrogant beyond belief, liars etc.
Maybe it's just the ones I've come across though I know they aren't all like that.

 

[BAF]

Well I'm sorry to hear about your leg
But I'm sure your relieved to not have to deal with people like that anymore
Huge generalisation but I've found horse people to be pretty terrible with animals and some of them, more than I see other places anyway, are just flat out terrible human beings. Bad payers, arrogant beyond belief, liars etc.
Maybe it's just the ones I've come across though I know they aren't all like that.

I set the alarm off in cambers going in and out with the big lump of metal in my leg It's been4 years now and it's fine just aches sometimes.

 

[Kevtherev]

Well I'm sorry to hear about your leg
But I'm sure your relieved to not have to deal with people like that anymore
Huge generalisation but I've found horse people to be pretty terrible with animals and some of them, more than I see other places anyway, are just flat out terrible human beings. Bad payers, arrogant beyond belief, liars etc.
Maybe it's just the ones I've come across though I know they aren't all like that.

I have the same problem with any equine customers I now avoid every one of them

 

[Derrick Hughes]

So the question I need to ask is , "Is your Vetch Hairy ?"