Commons Grazing

[LTH]

Learned on Facebook today about the idea of delinking grazing rights with land to allow them to be sold separately to organisations like Natural England and prohibiting the sale to farmers. How has this not been brought to the majority of farmers across the country using their rights by the NFU. Lord Cameron of Dillington who is a representative on one of the countries dairy boards and who tabled the motion in the House of Lords as part of the environmental bill, debated two weeks ago, he had this to say: “I hope that these stints are either going to disappear altogether or at least be managed for the benefit of the environment.” Absolutely shocking.

 

[JP1]

@egbert

 

[LTH]

“I know that Natural England approves of my intentions, and I hope the Government will support the amendment.”
I bet they do the utter that they are

 

[egbert]

Learned on Facebook today about the idea of delinking grazing rights with land to allow them to be sold separately to organisations like Natural England and prohibiting the sale to farmers. How has this not been brought to the majority of farmers across the country using their rights by the NFU. Lord Cameron of Dillington who is a representative on one of the countries dairy boards and who tabled the motion in the House of Lords as part of the environmental bill had this to say: “I hope that these stints are either going to disappear altogether or at least be managed for the benefit of the environment.” Absolutely shocking.

The plan was to permit NE and the like to compulsorily purchase the rights from the landowner (IE owner of in/bye farm with the rights)
The goal is openly to allow commons to be rewilded.

It was an attempted amendment, which got quickly chucked out.
But they'll try again.

I've been saying for a couple of years now, the war -to either destroy hill farming, or save it depending on your viewpoint-has already started, but we've hardly realised.

 

[LTH]

The plan was to permit NE and the like to compulsorily purchase the rights from the landowner (IE owner of in/bye farm with the rights)
The goal is openly to allow commons to be rewilded.

It was an attempted amendment, which got quickly chucked out.
But they'll try again.

I've been saying for a couple of years now, the war -to either destroy hill farming, or save it depending on your viewpoint-has already started, but we've hardly realised.

How was this not made main stream, is a basic right which goes back 900 years atleast. 18months ago natural england were going round the Lake District dangling the carrot for folk to remove there sheep for a pearly amount of cows instead, this was obviously their next idea!

 

[egbert]

How was this not made main stream, is a basic right which goes back 900 years atleast. 18months ago natural england were going round the Lake District dangling the carrot for folk to remove there sheep for a pearly amount of cows instead, this was obviously their next idea!

It caught everyone cold.
The Foundation for Common Land - is that their name?- found out, and got in there quick.

A number of bodies are on the case now i believe.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

The plan was to permit NE and the like to compulsorily purchase the rights from the landowner (IE owner of in/bye farm with the rights)
The goal is openly to allow commons to be rewilded.

It was an attempted amendment, which got quickly chucked out.
But they'll try again.

I've been saying for a couple of years now, the war -to either destroy hill farming, or save it depending on your viewpoint-has already started, but we've hardly realised.

Maybe the best thing that could happen to commons grazing would be enclosure (I have the paperwork here, that was an act of parliament 140 years ago, that enclosed the open hill at the top of the farm, where this farm was given 49 acres), and each farmer could have their xxx acres, and the environmental/National Trust agencies to be kept out of any of it. Otherwise, the hills will be consigned to overgrowth and then destruction from wild fires.

 

[LTH]

Hes a council member of RABDF. I missed the last meeting I was silaging

 

[egbert]

Maybe the best thing that could happen to commons grazing would be enclosure (I have the paperwork here, that was an act of parliament 140 years ago, that enclosed the open hill at the top of the farm, where this farm was given 49 acres), and each farmer could have their xxx acres, and the environmental/National Trust agencies to be kept out of any of it. Otherwise, the hills will be consigned to overgrowth and then destruction from wild fires.

I know what you mean, but equally, commoning (where we get) on is a beautiful communal thing.
A vestige of our past which binds many of us yet.
I'll defend it while I've breath left.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I know what you mean, but equally, commoning (where we get) on is a beautiful communal thing.
A vestige of our past which binds many of us yet.
I'll defend it while I've breath left.

But, as a common you are always in danger of interference from the environmentalists, where as in bye land is harder for them to interfere with, not that they won't try.

 

[egbert]

But, as a common you are always in danger of interference from the environmentalists, where as in bye land is harder for them to interfere with, not that they won't try.

they tend to use instruments to hammer us which would apply equally to common or enclosed.

 

[LTH]

But, as a common you are always in danger of interference from the environmentalists, where as in bye land is harder for them to interfere with, not that they won't try.

That’s not proper fell grazing then, it’s not the point of wanting the land.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

That’s not proper fell grazing then, it’s not the point of wanting the land.

it's not proper fell grazing if the grazing rights are bought by NT etc, and they choose not to use them, so allowing the fells to "rewild" or grow rank, remain undgrazed and the then maybe burn!

 

[LTH]

it's not proper fell grazing if the grazing rights are bought by NT etc, and they choose not to use them, so allowing the fells to "rewild" or grow rank, remain undgrazed and the then maybe burn!

That’s why I don’t want that either, that’s the only reason they want to take control of them. NE wouldn’t settle for fencing areas for livestock they want rid of us as seen with this amendment