- Location
- Somerset UK
drilled 3 weeks ago with the amazone primera, had fym, one half was subsoiled the other dd into the stubble.
Compaction can sort itself !
- Thread starter Clive
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drilled 3 weeks ago with the amazone primera, had fym, one half was subsoiled the other dd into the stubble.
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
- Location
- West Yorkshire
Another great thread from what I can read. ( only just found it )
Only jumped back to 2017 for reading the last 10 or so pages
Will read the others as and when I can.
Good to see some really interesting info.
If I’d not had 4inch of rain in the last 48hrs I’d dig some holes but I won’t bother as I need my feet to put electric fence spikes still today
(Probably most of the time )so looks like I’ve got serious compaction in most fields as I can’t push nothing in by hand.
This is really informative thread along with. @Kiwi Pete holistic grazing thread
It all goes hand in hand.
@Kiwi Pete have you got a manure spreader yet ?
I have a small barrel spreader which kind of works well with my field sizes either across or up and down With full loads one end to the other then empty but I have to travel across my prime ground I also mow this what I cal prime ground too.
What ever I do this will create compaction but then again it’s muck on the ground but it needs to be done sadly
Only jumped back to 2017 for reading the last 10 or so pages
Will read the others as and when I can.
Good to see some really interesting info.
If I’d not had 4inch of rain in the last 48hrs I’d dig some holes but I won’t bother as I need my feet to put electric fence spikes still today
(Probably most of the time )so looks like I’ve got serious compaction in most fields as I can’t push nothing in by hand.
This is really informative thread along with. @Kiwi Pete holistic grazing thread
It all goes hand in hand.
@Kiwi Pete have you got a manure spreader yet ?
I have a small barrel spreader which kind of works well with my field sizes either across or up and down With full loads one end to the other then empty but I have to travel across my prime ground I also mow this what I cal prime ground too.
What ever I do this will create compaction but then again it’s muck on the ground but it needs to be done sadly
- Location
- Darlington
To me you have two options when travelling across land to get to where you want to be.
Either try to create a hard, sacrificial strip, and use it every time. Or try and take a different route every time. I prefer the first. Also try and get your tyres and weight distribution right and travel when conditions are right, Dry or hard frost.
It might be just very tight ground now. Maybe try a crop of kasnyno triticale it will do 4t as second cereal and the massive root structure could benefit the rotation, it's also take-all tolerant so can drill early even where wheat volunteers have been thick in the stubble. Triticale is a natural subsoiler, expect £10t less than wheat when selling but no fungicide, less nitrogen
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
Is safflower a crop you are familiar with / grown in the UK ?
A late, cool season oil seed
Very strong taproot, in fact it used to be used a lot on irrigation country in California as a subsoiler / to break up compaction
Was grown here years ago as a late option & for the above mentioned properties, but fell out of favour due to more profitable crops
New varieties with oils specifically bred for industrial uses may give it a new lease of life here
A late, cool season oil seed
Very strong taproot, in fact it used to be used a lot on irrigation country in California as a subsoiler / to break up compaction
Was grown here years ago as a late option & for the above mentioned properties, but fell out of favour due to more profitable crops
New varieties with oils specifically bred for industrial uses may give it a new lease of life here
Just got some triticale seed to try for the 1st time. Like the idea of its vigorous grown habits both above and below ground.
Hopefully good for our very heavy ground and should out-compete any black grass in 2nd cereal slot.
Drilling it on Wednesday 10th October. What seed rate would you recommend? Variety is Fido.
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Around 150kg/ha for most triticale, 100-160.
I would have a look at your expected weed pressure, in the preceding crop, and go from there.
I wouldn't go too much higher for combining, for forage or silage 160 is any amount.
I would have a look at your expected weed pressure, in the preceding crop, and go from there.
I wouldn't go too much higher for combining, for forage or silage 160 is any amount.
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- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
150 
wow - youre nearly as bad as the Poms . . .
we'd be more like 50 - 60 kg
I do often wonder why such high rates for cereals in the UK. Yes, I know that moisture plays a big part, but East Anglia has a similar "average" annual rainfall to us
I sometimes wonder if it is because establishment rates are low, ( comparing planting techniques, that doesn't surprise me ) , therefore needing more seed, or if the varieties don't tiller very well . . .
but then, I'm only looking at it from a grain growing point of view, as we leave our straw
don't worry, off topic I know & I will pull my head back in
wow - youre nearly as bad as the Poms . . .
we'd be more like 50 - 60 kg
I do often wonder why such high rates for cereals in the UK. Yes, I know that moisture plays a big part, but East Anglia has a similar "average" annual rainfall to us
I sometimes wonder if it is because establishment rates are low, ( comparing planting techniques, that doesn't surprise me
) , therefore needing more seed, or if the varieties don't tiller very well . . .but then, I'm only looking at it from a grain growing point of view, as we leave our straw
don't worry, off topic I know & I will pull my head back in
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- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Yeah, I put 30kg/ha on as part of a grazing mix Roy, and surprised me how much it was!!
@mdagri doesn't have a location on his profile but my clue was "heavy land" and "outcompete blackgrass" which suggests a damp temperate woodland biome to me, unlike my cool desert biome it can probably handle higher seedrates.
100-120kg of Trit is still a lot, hence to look at weed pressure.
Straw is also a fair consideration, depending on how it is to be cycled.
@mdagri doesn't have a location on his profile but my clue was "heavy land" and "outcompete blackgrass" which suggests a damp temperate woodland biome to me, unlike my cool desert biome it can probably handle higher seedrates.
100-120kg of Trit is still a lot, hence to look at weed pressure.
Straw is also a fair consideration, depending on how it is to be cycled.
- Location
- Somerset UK
It's growing!
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Tompkins
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- Location
- NE Somerset
I'm guessing the sub-soiled plot is to the right?
- Location
- Somerset UK
Yes, I did a bit of a mixture this year some DD into stubble some subsoiler then drilled some and some with a subsoiler drill. When I get time I will dig up some plants from each bit and do a side by side comparison.
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
Soil biology anyone ?
There is a link with compaction.
Bacterial dominant soils tend to have smaller soil aggregates, poor water infiltration / aeration & be compacted.
Fungal dominant soils have larger aggregates, higher soil C, higher water infiltration, are more friable & have better structure
There is a link with compaction.
Bacterial dominant soils tend to have smaller soil aggregates, poor water infiltration / aeration & be compacted.
Fungal dominant soils have larger aggregates, higher soil C, higher water infiltration, are more friable & have better structure
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
Step away from these videos - they are just an indictment of poor management a long way from the field. Feel better that while these morons are screwing up their soils you have a competitive advantage in this global market place.
YELROM
Member
- Location
- North Yorkshire
It will be alright because tracks are low ground pressure
pine_guy
Member
- Location
- North Cumbria
Is the plough to make the tracks spin and create a little till
- Location
- northampton
he should have brought a triton drill could drill wheat in to that and still get 15T/Ha
Dead Rabbits
Member
- Location
- 'Merica
He will never get a straight opening furrow in those conditions. Going to have to follow a crooked furrow for the whole field now, shame