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[Jackson4]

what exactly is wheatfeed? Is it heat treated? fermented? It has 18% protein which is high for wheat.. what type of protein is it erdp? dup? 11.7 me
Oh, and does it cause acidosis as much as grains normally do? Sugarbeet is a great feed that way, but more expensive an input than grains unfortunately.

 

[Gilchro]

http://www.proteinfeeds.co.uk/index.php/feed-ingredients/wheat-feed-pellets

Gives you some background.
It actually controls acidosis as it has a good whack of fibre

 

[neilo]

Doesn't the name 'wheatfeed' cover a broad range of products, but essentially the waste/leftovers from flour milling. Unless @David. has changed his feed supplier, I suspect it will contain wheatfeed that is produced in the companies only flour mills. It was always a good quality ration when I fed it.

 

[Jackson4]

I'd love to know the difference of proteins as fed.. if wheatfeed has 15-18 (depending on were you look)% protein an it is essentially just the hard shells, (palm kernal as well) you'd think a 20 protein pea or bean like soya would feed better? .. think meat as a protein source as opposed to veggy protein source for humans.. different make up.

 

[Jackson4]

what do you make of this ingredient wise

http://www.wejameson.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Ewedale-gold5.pdf

Suppose to be good, 13 me 5% soya i think? Were does it get its energy from? Other cakes ive looked at seem to have megalac or veg oil??
One thing a rep did tell me (apart from saying everone says whatever bulls**t suites themselves quite refreshing) was that the cake companies can choose from a whole range of figures to add up to make there concentrate look good. Most feeds have a range of energy and protein, and they could be different one week to the next.. so no-one ever really knows an you coul say its 18% when its 16 or 13me when it 12.5 etc. Feeding the cynic in me is never good.

 

[neilo]

One thing a rep did tell me (apart from saying everone says whatever bulls**t suites themselves quite refreshing) was that the cake companies can choose from a whole range of figures to add up to make there concentrate look good. Most feeds have a range of energy and protein, and they could be different one week to the next.. so no-one ever really knows an you coul say its 18% when its 16 or 13me when it 12.5 etc. Feeding the cynic in me is never good.

There is certainly a legal tolerance that means that an 18% ration might be a % out. Some companies 'may' choose to push that more than others no doubt.

As part of a uni research project I had a couple of samples of concs done last year. The 20% CP ration from one company came out at 19.5% (which I considered OK), but the 19% ration from another company came out at just the same. Much like silage analysis, it's a rough guide and not an exact science.

 

[Jackson4]

If you could choose to look up the range of what your ingredients could be and what they may more likely be on average, there's going to be the odd competitor who puts unrealistic figures.
Need to put the amounts of ingredients in the mix on their website then at least you could check against an average. But then they'd say they can't cause they chop and change ingredients.
When you look close to see if you can make better decisions it all becomes a bit of a grey area.
I was panicking about that haulage but its fed well. I've got back to some better stuff just yesterday which is good as 4 weeks off this weekend.

 

[neilo]

If you could choose to look up the range of what your ingredients could be and what they may more likely be on average, there's going to be the odd competitor who puts unrealistic figures.
Need to put the amounts of ingredients in the mix on their website then at least you could check against an average. But then they'd say they can't cause they chop and change ingredients.
When you look close to see if you can make better decisions it all becomes a bit of a grey area.
I was panicking about that haulage but its fed well. I've got back to some better stuff just yesterday which is good as 4 weeks off this weekend.

One of the first questions I ask of a feed rep, is whether the ration is a fixed formulation. If it's not, because they' chop & change ingredients', then I won't even consider their wares, whatever they claim the analysis is or how cheap they quote. Had two many times years ago, when dealing with a couple of nationals, where one load would be totally different to the next. On paper they might be the same spec, but the stock soon tell you there's a difference, especially if you can see it in a milk tank.

 

[scholland]

This is what we will be feeding to twins, 18% protein 13me.

 

[David.]

@Jackson4

 

[Jackson4]

thanks david.. dare i ask what you pay for it?

just looking at some rolls i got blown in today so i can feed on the floor. Not a broken roll dont mind dust! best rolls ive ever seen.




yours has less fats and oil but less fat.. is there someone who can explain why? is it the soya that makes higher oil and palm kernal making higher ash?

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

just looking at some rolls i got blown in today so i can feed on the floor. Not a broken roll dont mind dust! best rolls ive ever seen.

where did you get them from

 

[Gilchro]

thanks david.. dare i ask what you pay for it?

just looking at some rolls i got blown in today so i can feed on the floor. Not a broken roll dont mind dust! best rolls ive ever seen.


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yours has less fats and oil but less fat.. is there someone who can explain why? is it the soya that makes higher oil and palm kernal making higher ash?

In terms of the oil/fat, yours has vegetable fat on the ingredients, i.e. a Megalac type product.

The point on the soya really illustrates a fantastic smokescreen that exists in the political eye, soyabean meal, as we feed it in the UK is a waste product. They are not lopping down great swathes of the rainforest to make animal food, they are making soya oil for people food and the meal that is left just happens to be a fantastic animal food.

So to answer your question, no the soya does not have that great an effect.

The ash increase may also be coming from the malt pellets.

 

[Jackson4]

where did you get them from

Jamesons masham. ewedale gold.

Got the job sorted with the rolls mixed with dust.. they took a sample and said they'd weight it, straight forward job, but to be honest you cant take a representitive sample, the dust sits were it is blown and the rolls roll down the heep to the bottom. the sample i think had so much dust in they came back and said.. so what will it take to make it right What about the sample? well, erm you must have an idea.
They said 5-10% normal and only i had the problem, i said there is no way this is normal, i dont know how it happened (there is no broken bits, just looks like a blend of dust and rolls) etc etc a little peeved for being in the position, peeing about poking sticks up the feeder to get it down, and having to make lots of noise and swearing to not get mown down by fat, greedy sheep.
£175/ton or suck it out. We cant suck it out if its been on farm, salmonella etc.. anyway boss has agreed.
I guess these things happen. I spend alot of money with mvf when i could go elsewhere for all my feeders/wormers/vaccines/dog food/minerals/boots/clothing/parts/milk powder etc and with an unkown quantity of dust i'd rather feel i've £10 in hand for the hassle rather than everyone else get there money and i be left with the problem.
Next time though i'll check it straight away and definitely get them to suck it straight back out.

 

[AGN76]

Any idea of a price of rolled oats per tonne.?

 

[Baling Hay]

Any idea of a price of rolled oats per tonne.?

£110 per tonne plus delivery?

 

[AGN76]

£110 per tonne plus delivery?

Thanks steakeater, just pricing up some options.

 

[jerseycowsman]

Been quoted mid £230's for my 14% 13.5 ME cake with extra mag in, does that sound alright for the season going forward?

 

[Gilchro]

Been quoted mid £230's for my 14% 13.5 ME cake with extra mag in, does that sound alright for the season going forward?

Sounds alright for the man selling it.....

 

[Baling Hay]

Been quoted mid £230's for my 14% 13.5 ME cake with extra mag in, does that sound alright for the season going forward?

Sounds extremely expensive, what are the ingredients?