Concerned about Red Tractor collapse.

Playing devil's advocate here but I think the logic, if you can call it that, of producing a written safety policy is so that you can prove that you'd identified hazards and taken reasonable precautions to stop anyone getting hurt from them. Not just employees but the tanker driver, feed reps, contractors, walkers, your great aunt etc, and also yourself.

Don't shoot the messenger, I think it's bo**ocks as well but neither do I think such things will ever go away so in my case I spent a couple of hours writing some very generic stuff, stuck it on a shelf, and now it's one less thing they can send me their lovely little non-conformance notes for (there's plenty of other areas where they still do...)


Its none of Red Tractors feckin' business.

I don't mind producing a H&S policy if the HSE required it but they don't but toytown Red Tractor have no legal power.

And the comment from the NFU guy shows why they are worse than useless as an organisation. It should never be in the RT remit and been thrown out straight away
 
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Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Its none of Red Tractors feckin' business.

I don't mind producing a H&S policy if the HSE required it but they don't but toytown Red Tractor have no legal power.

And the comment from the NFU guy shows why they are worse than useless as an organisation. It should never be in the RT remit and been thrown out straight away
I need an MOT for the Land Rover. It's the law. But like the H&S policy (which isn't even law!!), it's got nothing to do with food safety, so no need for RT to audit it.

Are they going to want to check I've filed my VAT return or got tractor insurance?

Even the things which are required by law, they don't need to check. Like am I within the NVZ N limits - nothing to do with food safety. Diesel tank bunded - makes no difference to grain safety. Fertiliser stored away from flammable materials - doesn't make my spring beans poisonous.

Mission creep adding extra paperwork for farmers. Sooner RT have competition the better.
 

Sonoftheheir

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
West Suffolk
Thinking of quitting red tractor for our potatoes, all sold to chip shops, merchants say it makes no premium having it.
My trouble is we have a few 1000 bags with their logo on, can’t not use them at 0.30p each.

Can RT force us not to use them?
 

tullah

Member
Location
Linconshire
I need an MOT for the Land Rover. It's the law. But like the H&S policy (which isn't even law!!), it's got nothing to do with food safety, so no need for RT to audit it.

Are they going to want to check I've filed my VAT return or got tractor insurance?

Even the things which are required by law, they don't need to check. Like am I within the NVZ N limits - nothing to do with food safety. Diesel tank bunded - makes no difference to grain safety. Fertiliser stored away from flammable materials - doesn't make my spring beans poisonous.

Mission creep adding extra paperwork for farmers. Sooner RT have competition the better.
Sooner the owners of RT have competition the better. Take the smile off their faces
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Yep- they could do with ‘RT-Lite’- style competition; all the basics but non of this mission creep nonsense.
Exactly that.

Basic food safety version.

RT can stick with their bells and whistles environmental goods, H&S, etc. Then the market will decide what it wants and what it's prepared to pay for. If the market will pay sufficiently for RT, then fine, farmers can decide which scheme to be members of. If the market won't pay a good enough premium, then farmers can choose to dump RT and choose the basic standard.
 

slackjawedyokel

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
We’ve been organic for roughly the same amount of time we’ve been farm assured (back in the days of FABBL). For the first few years, the FA inspection was pretty straightforward (medicine cupboard, meds records, movement book etc) while the organic inspection was the one that caused sleepless nights.
Now the position is reversed. While the organic inspection is a little more complicated than 20 years ago, it’s the FA inspection that’s the real PITA with many hours having to be spent on utterly pointless paperwork. They even require me (for reasons unknown) to complete a HGCA wheat mycotoxin risk assessment for my cereals. I only grow barley and oats 🤷‍♂️
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Stickers? Turn them into green, yellow or blue tractors 🤣. Could hardly sue you then- nor when their RED tractor has such excellent brand recognition🤣
Just do nowt, rt didnt prosecute Tesco for using the logo on Spanish carrots did they. (Or whatever country it was)

which obviously was a genuine error😂😂😂😂

besides as the brand has no value what ere they gonna do if they catch you?
 

traineefarmer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Mid Norfolk
We’ve been organic for roughly the same amount of time we’ve been farm assured (back in the days of FABBL). For the first few years, the FA inspection was pretty straightforward (medicine cupboard, meds records, movement book etc) while the organic inspection was the one that caused sleepless nights.
Now the position is reversed. While the organic inspection is a little more complicated than 20 years ago, it’s the FA inspection that’s the real PITA with many hours having to be spent on utterly pointless paperwork. They even require me (for reasons unknown) to complete a HGCA wheat mycotoxin risk assessment for my cereals. I only grow barley and oats 🤷‍♂️

That's simply your inspector being an arse. They have a NOT APPLICABLE tick box for those type of circumstances.
 

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