Concerned about Red Tractor collapse.

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
2hrs in the office checking records, then 10mins actually looking around the farm at the important bits.

Then they wonder why Red Tractor is getting discredited.
Now I’m in two minds here. Do I…

A- ignore the need for a HSE policy as I’m a one man band and wing it on the day

or

B- write a HSE policy that makes damn sure I cover every potential risk on the place which means the gestapo are in breach of it the minute they step outside of the farm office?


If I go for option ‘B’ I’m also going to investigate the need for HSE training for visitors from non government agencies and wether I can reasonably ask them to pay for the training before stepping onto the farm.

i will tie the buggers so tightly into knots that they will wish they had never asked the question🤬
 

solo

Member
Location
worcestershire
I came across this anomaly yesterday preparing my papers. Mass balance template sheet asks for grains and oilseeds in store, but does not ask for each crop to be itemised. Very tempted to just fill in one form for all crops without specifying which volume relates to winter barley, wheat, spring barley and oilseed rape. Another waste of my time. :mad:
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Hands up who would prefer to have a HSE on farm inspection, than to download a few sheets of templates and tick the RT box....
In the knowledge that the moment HSE find an actionable non compliance, they start billing you for their time, and also bill for each subsequent visit until they are satisfied you comply with all the relevant workplace legislation.
As I keep saying, be careful what you wish for.

As a lucky recipient of an HSE inspection, I can testify that it makes no difference if you are farm assured or not (I am, and was at the time of the inspection). Those jobsworths are far worse than any FA folk I've come across (except one), but being assured doesn't make you less likely to get an HSE visit.

You get 2 non-compliances before HSE charge you for the pleasure of making them a cuppa, whereas FA charges you annually even if you fully comply.

The true cost of my HSE visit was the unnecessary training courses I had to do to to get telehandler and ATV tickets. :mad:
 

Barleymow

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Ipswich
Had a gestapo inspection on 3/2/22, which was expected. The inspector just rang up to fix the audit date, no coresspondence arrived from RT informing the date. He spent 30 minutes outside and 2 hours indoors checking records and passing time (and wasting my time) until his next appointment, his timing was perfect. There were no non-conformances until he got ready to leave when he asked to see the H&S policy. He was delighted to find that there wasn't one in place and immediately got his report out to tick box the non-conformance, even though he knew there were no employees here just a one man band! A week later RT informed me that a farm audit was to be carried out in 8 weeks!! Too many jobsworth who can't get things right. Today received a cheeky letter that corrective evidence for the non-conformances was required and to give the matter urgent attention or my membership would be suspended. I've got 28 days I shall comply on the last day!!! What a load of bol...ks and waste of time.
Friend had an audit on Monday had no effect n safety policy .auditor emailed him 1
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
Talking of bike atvs safety halfords do a good helmet (with peak) for only about £30 quid good value he is and comfy , just as good for weather protection in poor weather as well.


Practical help and solutions / motivations is what is wanted not a load of waste of time and money bumf.
 

Ducati899

Member
Location
north dorset
I had my Red Tractor inspection 2 weeks ago. The inspector said I didn’t need a Health and Safety Policy because I’m a one man band. How’s that for consistency?

Few years back red tractor chap wanted to see my fertiliser records,now every day I put fert on I write it all in notes section on phone and then print off at end of season,I showed him and his response,”well that’s nice and neat but you don’t need to go to that trouble,you could just scribble something down on a piece of paper and it could say anything but at least it’s something” I didn’t know wether to laugh or cry 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

MrNoo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Cirencester
Hands up who would prefer to have a HSE on farm inspection, than to download a few sheets of templates and tick the RT box....
In the knowledge that the moment HSE find an actionable non compliance, they start billing you for their time, and also bill for each subsequent visit until they are satisfied you comply with all the relevant workplace legislation.
As I keep saying, be careful what you wish for.
You sound like the NFU or a RT employee, they also have detector vans going round and can tell when youre watching TV without a license!! too, honest!! lol

Christ, how have we let our industry get into such a fecking state.
 

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
Hands up who would prefer to have a HSE on farm inspection, than to download a few sheets of templates and tick the RT box....
In the knowledge that the moment HSE find an actionable non compliance, they start billing you for their time, and also bill for each subsequent visit until they are satisfied you comply with all the relevant workplace legislation.
As I keep saying, be careful what you wish for.
I would wish for health and safety to be the domain of the HSE, not some unemployable jobsworth with nothing better to do.
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Has anyone established wether these rt insectors are actually qualified to look at a hse plan and determine if it’s up to scratch or not?

i cant see them all having done sufficient training to be properly competent in hse procedures
 

MrNoo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Cirencester
Has anyone established wether these rt insectors are actually qualified to look at a hse plan and determine if it’s up to scratch or not?

i cant see them all having done sufficient training to be properly competent in hse procedures
How can they be???
My inspector was a failed farmer, it would be a bit like asking yourself are you qualified to determine if it is or isnt? Most are very similar to you or I excepting the fact they work for an utter sham of an organisation.
It I think will be harder for them to get inspectors, socially they are becoming almost unacceptable, I mean it's not like you'd be inviting a chap to a shoot only for him to announce he was an inspector for RT, that would go down like a lead balloon and he would be asked to leave.
I guess they will soon be saying they are being descriminated against for being RT inspectors by us farmers
 

db9go

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Buckinghamshire
Hands up who would prefer to have a HSE on farm inspection, than to download a few sheets of templates and tick the RT box....
In the knowledge that the moment HSE find an actionable non compliance, they start billing you for their time, and also bill for each subsequent visit until they are satisfied you comply with all the relevant workplace legislation.
As I keep saying, be careful what you wish for.
Where and what did you down load please.
 
I came across this anomaly yesterday preparing my papers. Mass balance template sheet asks for grains and oilseeds in store, but does not ask for each crop to be itemised. Very tempted to just fill in one form for all crops without specifying which volume relates to winter barley, wheat, spring barley and oilseed rape. Another waste of my time. :mad:

Thats exactly what you should do. Make it all up. Its none of their business and they are not paying you for this information
 

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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