Concreting the drive

[Bruce Almighty]

We would like to concrete our stone / planings drive, it's about 80 yards long & 3.5 - 4 m wide

I was thinking 6" deep but maybe 8" at the entrance and where it corners

Our drive meets the road on a bend and stone always spills onto the road, equally when it is re-surfaced the contractors always cut the corner. It really needs kerbs which we have from a recent big road job nearby
I understand PP may be required & you have to have a suitable contractor

It would have to be in the summer as we would have to get the milk tanker in the field way.

Would we need a particular mix ? How long before we could drive on it ?
I was thinking 2 weeks ?

We would also have to lay a ground loop wire in it that currently opens our electric gate

All advice welcome - thanks

 

[RWG Contracts]

We would like to concrete our stone / planings drive, it's about 80 yards long & 3.5 - 4 m wide

I was thinking 6" deep but maybe 8" at the entrance and where it corners

Our drive meets the road on a bend and stone always spills onto the road, equally when it is re-surfaced the contractors always cut the corner. It really needs kerbs which we have from a recent big road job nearby
I understand PP may be required & you have to have a suitable contractor

It would have to be in the summer as we would have to get the milk tanker in the field way.

Would we need a particular mix ? How long before we could drive on it ?
I was thinking 2 weeks ?

We would also have to lay a ground loop wire in it that currently opens our electric gate

All advice welcome - thanks

I'd lay it 8" thick.

@GeorgieB82 will know about planning, I think you'll need I though. As for approved contractor, yes probably supposed to but it doesn't take long to bang a few kerbs in of you did it on a Sunday.

If you could leave it 2 weeks that would be ideal.

I think a PAV-2 mix would be the best

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I'd lay it 8" thick.

@GeorgieB82 will know about planning, I think you'll need I though. As for approved contractor, yes probably supposed to but it doesn't take long to bang a few kerbs in of you did it on a Sunday.

If you could leave it 2 weeks that would be ideal.

I think a PAV-2 mix would be the best

Thanks @RWG Contracts. PP is more often than not required and then in some cases a further application needs to be made to the county council.
From reading your post it doesn't sound like the road your driveway abuts to is kerbed at the moment so PP may not be necessary as all applications I have made for kerbs have been for installation of drop kerbs in existing kerb runs.
It may just take a discussion with the highway owner (usually the county council) to arrange some paperwork.

 

[RWG Contracts]

Thanks @RWG Contracts. PP is more often than not required and then in some cases a further application needs to be made to the county council.
From reading your post it doesn't sound like the road your driveway abuts to is kerbed at the moment so PP may not be necessary as all applications I have made for kerbs have been for installation of drop kerbs in existing kerb runs.
It may just take a discussion with the highway owner (usually the county council) to arrange some paperwork.

I thought, could be wrong, has happened once before, if your driveway was concrete, you can dig it up and re concrete it without planning, if it is hardcore you have to get planning to concrete it, because water can run off the concrete onto the road affecting the drainage of the road, where as water soaks through hardcore. Like I say could be wrong that's just the battlenone of my customers went through

 

[phillipe]

Thanks @RWG Contracts. PP is more often than not required and then in some cases a further application needs to be made to the county council.
From reading your post it doesn't sound like the road your driveway abuts to is kerbed at the moment so PP may not be necessary as all applications I have made for kerbs have been for installation of drop kerbs in existing kerb runs.
It may just take a discussion with the highway owner (usually the county council) to arrange some paperwork.

just to add,when we put a new driveway into our place i did it in stages ,i had to put 100 ton of clean hardcore somewhere ,so took out 3m of hedge stripped soil tipped hardcore put fence up.3 weeks later vist from council all they said was put in planning,i did just that ,3 months later they sent cheque back saying as i owned the verge ,no planning required

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I thought, could be wrong, has happened once before, if your driveway was concrete, you can dig it up and re concrete it without planning, if it is hardcore you have to get planning to concrete it, because water can run off the concrete onto the road affecting the drainage of the road, where as water soaks through hardcore. Like I say could be wrong that's just the battlenone of my customers went through

You are correct, I got so into the kerb I forgot about the drive!
A non-permeable driveway (for example concrete) generally needs permission.

 

[Forever Fendt]

Thanks @RWG Contracts. PP is more often than not required and then in some cases a further application needs to be made to the county council.
From reading your post it doesn't sound like the road your driveway abuts to is kerbed at the moment so PP may not be necessary as all applications I have made for kerbs have been for installation of drop kerbs in existing kerb runs.
It may just take a discussion with the highway owner (usually the county council) to arrange some paperwork.

dont open a can of worms ,you will end up needing a street works permit a £5m public liability if you are working past your boundary ,As for planning our LPA would try and insist you needed permission as they would try and class it as a engineering operation not a repair using the same materials ,As @RWG Contracts has said 8" thick and if its humped in the middle this wants taking off so you have a slab consistent thickness across it ,regarding the permission i would just crack on and get it done ,make sure you are not discharging the water run off from the drive on to the road they do not like this and it would be hard to correct after its all done

 

[Forever Fendt]

just to add,when we put a new driveway into our place i did it in stages ,i had to put 100 ton of clean hardcore somewhere ,so took out 3m of hedge stripped soil tipped hardcore put fence up.3 weeks later vist from council all they said was put in planning,i did just that ,3 months later they sent cheque back saying as i owned the verge ,no planning required

if the verge is yours check if there are any utilities in it and make a claim ££ for easements if they have not sorted it with you as the owner

 

[Forever Fendt]

I thought, could be wrong, has happened once before, if your driveway was concrete, you can dig it up and re concrete it without planning, if it is hardcore you have to get planning to concrete it, because water can run off the concrete onto the road affecting the drainage of the road, where as water soaks through hardcore. Like I say could be wrong that's just the battlenone of my customers went through

could have saved a load of typing if i had read your post ,my one above sounds a bit like a echo

 

[RWG Contracts]

could have saved a load of typing if i had read your post ,my one above sounds a bit like a echo

Least we're both on same wavelength

 

[Derky]

If you set the shuttering up so there is a slight camber the water will go one side? PAV 2 with fibres. Cut expansion joints in afterwards. Kerbs want doing while the yellow vis brigade are at church.

 

[upnortheast]

Worth asking for air entraining additive. Prevents frost damage especially when salt may be about.
Ours was 400m long, Due to the difficulty in sheeting it we sprayed it using the knapsack sprayer with a liquid (Have to look up what it was) A 45 gall drum did the length. 25 years on it is showing little sign of deteriation.
If you are using a vibrating beam do not over do it. You get too much slop on the surface. We went 2 x with the vibrating beam then marked it with a length of 3 x 1 Ours was 6 inch deep

 

[bert]

Is it right that if you lay concrete on tarmac chippings it reacts with the concrete, that's what i got told when last firm was here concreting, would it still effect it if you visqeened it?

 

[Bruce Almighty]

Is it right that if you lay concrete on tarmac chippings it reacts with the concrete, that's what i got told when last firm was here concreting, would it still effect it if you visqeened it?

I heard that years ago so we've always put a sheet down

 

[upnortheast]

Worth looking in your crystal ball to see if there is anywhere you may need a water pipe / leccy cable across. If so dig in a length of twinwall. If you do it now the trench will be well settled by you do the job in summer
Just looked up PAV2 and it included air entraining additive.
Stuff we sprayed on was something like this
http://www.fosroc.com/product/show/concure-wb-

 

[Bruce Almighty]

Thanks for replies.
I'd got it in mind to put several ducts under, esp with the electric gate.
Had also got it in mind to create a camber for drainage

 

[Adam@Rumen]

Off topic slightly sorry, but we are always having to patch the driveway which gets me wondering...

Does anyone melt down tyres to make blocks that could be used in place of concrete for a drive?

 

[Doing it for the kids]

As above, we did ours in concrete, c40 8inches thick with mesh. Possibly over kill but I don't want to do it again in my life and hopefully the kids will be grateful!

Camber is crucial as are levels, just a touch higher than Land either side.

We dug pipes under top and bottom and just left in ground for the future proofing.

We did it in August which was bloody wet as it turned out but banned cars for 2 weeks and Lorries for 3.

We ran a form over the top with small grooves to leave a lined finish, in frostyweather the corner can be quite fun at speed, less so now!

Beat them up on price too. Lots of m3 going in there!

 

[bert]

How much do you recon to do about a 1000 metre drive?

 

[RWG Contracts]

How much do you recon to do about a 1000 metre drive?

About 800 cube, I'll bring the order book