Contractors ,Silage cost by the ton

[Speedstar]

no of course not, there'll be price increases as and where necessary, but im not radically changing the way I charge, and just to remind you, you still havnt answered a point blank question, are your customers happy to pay more, just because you charge by the ton,
this is a multiple choice question.....
1) yes they are happy to pay more
2)no they wont pay more than an acreage/hourly rate
3)im going to waffle bullpoo and not answer,

If you read the thread you find the answer or do you need it spelling out to you

 

[agcon1]

If you read the thread you find the answer or do you need it spelling out to you

myself and many others have read it, yes your customers are happy to pay by the ton....but are that happy to pay more?????? you have not answered that question, so in effect your answer was 3)im going to waffle bullpoo and not answer,
sorry wrong answer, go to the bottom of the contracting class!!!

 

[dazza b]

Is any one charging to make silage by the ton ?
Our new forager has a system on it the weigh the grass & take the D/M content & this is what we are planning on doing in the next few years for the people that want to pay by the ton, we will charge some much per ton for the complete job.

What chopper you gone for?

 

[dowcow]

no up to 4000 meters of hose , all the same, if we have why not use it, next year it will be more hose if we need it for a job

Well I'm not getting you to do mine if you pump to the field next to the store for me and it is going to cost me the same as the guy who has his pumped two miles to his silage ground. Mine should cost less.

Silage should be by the hour for every machine. I can see the sense in mowing tedding and raking being per acre, but there's variation between crops there too, only less so than chopping it.

I've seen SFPs chopping quad-rotor rows flat out with it jumping up infront of the pick-up like lawn clippings. If that farmer is paying per acre on the chopper he's getting robbed, and if he was doing the job himself he would have left that field a week or two. Paying per acre is just the contractor making some farmers settle for lower quality silage by pushing another week on timing to get his monies worth. Personally I think if they care about the quality of their forage, more farmers should take silage jobs back in house rather than rely on contractors, for at least as much of the job as is possible. I expect to upset some people with this opinion.

 

[fiat 9090]

I'm sorry if get slaughtered for this post but some of you contractors on here seem to think more about yourselfs than the customer,

And some of us don't even get 4 hours sleep if there is rain forecast and some of us don't look for money if the farmer geuinely hit a tough patch in their life

 

[Lofty1984]

And some of us don't even get 4 hours sleep if there is rain forecast and some of us don't look for money if the farmer geuinely hit a tough patch in their life

Nah rubbish everyone knows that we all sit on our arse waiting for the phone to ring not as if you have a list of people pencilled in or anything

 

[agcon1]

Well I'm not getting you to do mine if you pump to the field next to the store for me and it is going to cost me the same as the guy who has his pumped two miles to his silage ground. Mine should cost less.

Silage should be by the hour for every machine. I can see the sense in mowing tedding and raking being per acre, but there's variation between crops there too, only less so than chopping it.

I've seen SFPs chopping quad-rotor rows flat out with it jumping up infront of the pick-up like lawn clippings. If that farmer is paying per acre on the chopper he's getting robbed, and if he was doing the job himself he would have left that field a week or two. Paying per acre is just the contractor making some farmers settle for lower quality silage by pushing another week on timing to get his monies worth. Personally I think if they care about the quality of their forage, more farmers should take silage jobs back in house rather than rely on contractors, for at least as much of the job as is possible. I expect to upset some people with this opinion.

did the contractor force the farmer to mow such a short crop?????, and if he didn't then why is he being robbed, the contractor is only doing his job, and if its a light crop and can go fast that not his fault

 

[fiat 9090]

Well I'm not getting you to do mine if you pump to the field next to the store for me and it is going to cost me the same as the guy who has his pumped two miles to his silage ground. Mine should cost less.

Silage should be by the hour for every machine. I can see the sense in mowing tedding and raking being per acre, but there's variation between crops there too, only less so than chopping it.

I've seen SFPs chopping quad-rotor rows flat out with it jumping up infront of the pick-up like lawn clippings. If that farmer is paying per acre on the chopper he's getting robbed, and if he was doing the job himself he would have left that field a week or two. Paying per acre is just the contractor making some farmers settle for lower quality silage by pushing another week on timing to get his monies worth. Personally I think if they care about the quality of their forage, more farmers should take silage jobs back in house rather than rely on contractors, for at least as much of the job as is possible. I expect to upset some people with this opinion.

Most farmers are worked to the bone already without trying to compete with professionals who have the knowledge and equipment to do the job properly and thats withoutthe cost of this extra gear on a cattle or dairyfarm where margins are tight already

 

[Speedstar]

myself and many others have read it, yes your customers are happy to pay by the ton....but are that happy to pay more?????? you have not answered that question, so in effect your answer was 3)im going to waffle bullpoo and not answer,
sorry wrong answer, go to the bottom of the contracting class!!!

You must be blind ,yes they are happy to pay more as every thing has to pay , over the full year it may cost 2℅ more but if cost came down a lot then so would the price per ton

 

[holywell farmer]

And some of us don't even get 4 hours sleep if there is rain forecast and some of us don't look for money if the farmer geuinely hit a tough patch in their life

Not an easy life then

 

[Speedstar]

Well I'm not getting you to do mine if you pump to the field next to the store for me and it is going to cost me the same as the guy who has his pumped two miles to his silage ground. Mine should cost less.

Silage should be by the hour for every machine. I can see the sense in mowing tedding and raking being per acre, but there's variation between crops there too, only less so than chopping it.

I've seen SFPs chopping quad-rotor rows flat out with it jumping up infront of the pick-up like lawn clippings. If that farmer is paying per acre on the chopper he's getting robbed, and if he was doing the job himself he would have left that field a week or two. Paying per acre is just the contractor making some farmers settle for lower quality silage by pushing another week on timing to get his monies worth. Personally I think if they care about the quality of their forage, more farmers should take silage jobs back in house rather than rely on contractors, for at least as much of the job as is possible. I expect to upset some people with this opinion.

Why is that then ? , What does it cost you to empty your store on to the field next to it ?

 

[fiat 9090]

Y

did the contractor force the farmer to mow such a short crop?????, and if he didn't then why is he being robbed, the contractor is only doing his job, and if its a light crop and can go fast that not his fault

But that wont encourage farmers to go for quality ,you will have a case like over here that everyone wants there silage between the27 of may and the 5th of June and every farmer puts out 100 units of nitrogen

 

[Lofty1984]

How many acres are you chopping all in then @Speedstar ? Would you charge by the ton for everything?

 

[Speedstar]

How many acres are you chopping all in then @Speedstar ? Would you charge by the ton for everything?

2500 grass paid work + the stuff at home
500 to 1000 acre's whole crop
Yes everything by the ton is the plan

 

[fiat 9090]

Not an easy life then

not easy but then I wouldn b able to work for someone else

 

[fiat 9090]

2500 grass paid work + the stuff at home
500 to 1000 acre's whole crop
Yes everything by the ton is the plan

2500 grass paid work + the stuff at home
500 to 1000 acre's whole crop
Yes everything by the ton is the plan

How many acres per day do you average with the wholecrop

 

[Speedstar]

How many acres per day do you average with the wholecrop

Depending on the crop and size of day 50 to 100 a day

 

[Lofty1984]

Depending on the crop and size of day 50 to 100 a day

Which header do you use out of interest ?

 

[Speedstar]

Which header do you use out of interest ?

We have a new Claas header coming and have used the same for the last 10 years or more before that we had a champion header which you could do more a day with but cost more money to run

 

[Lofty1984]

We have a new Claas header coming and have used the same for the last 10 years or more before that we had a champion header which you could do more a day with but cost more money to run

Bloody great the claas direct disc headers we added a second newer one last season can fair cover some ground with them