contractors want to roll

[capfits]

Conserve moisture and you can get on better with combi drill.

If you think Welshpool is wet and worrying about conserving moisture, then buy a place up at Kinlochewe...

 

[Still Farming]

If they can skip along fast with power harrow tines only down few inches their on to a winner possibly!

 

[Exfarmer]

turned up with a new to him one pass drill with a front hopper so no front press this year.
He's going to allow us to use his paddle roller on our tractor so should save on fuel cost and labour, 120 hp compared to his 250 john deer.
Might ask if he got a press next year when hes ploughing, might help

Plough Press is great in right conditions but is a cultivation tool. Fine ploughing for spring cropping on light land. Great for heavy land if following quickly with a drill, but they can set heavy land down tight and the land will not dry out if you are not carefull

 

[Werzle]

turned up with a new to him one pass drill with a front hopper so no front press this year.
He's going to allow us to use his paddle roller on our tractor so should save on fuel cost and labour, 120 hp compared to his 250 john deer.
Might ask if he got a press next year when hes ploughing, might help

I would hazard a guess that a 250hp tractor rollling on tickover would use less fuel than a 120hp working a little harder

 

[dubs]

I would hazard a guess that a 250hp tractor rollling on tickover would use less fuel than a 120hp working a little harder

dont think contractors do tick over

 

[tullah]

I would hazard a guess that a 250hp tractor rollling on tickover would use less fuel than a 120hp working a little harder

Engines don't like tickover. Prefer to work at 1500

 

[Exfarmer]

I would hazard a guess that a 250hp tractor rollling on tickover would use less fuel than a 120hp working a little harder

Ten tonnes is always going to take more diesel than 5 tonnes before you take pulling the rolls. Then you need to pull the wheelings out

 

[DeeGee]

Engines don't like tickover. Prefer to work at 1500

Not sure about this?
You may be right, but all modern coaches are now geared to cruise at about 1200rpm for fuel economy.
Surely as long as an engine is under some load (not just idling) then lower revs will use less diesel?

But I stand to be corrected.

 

[Exfarmer]

Not sure about this?
You may be right, but all modern coaches are now geared to cruise at about 1200rpm for fuel economy.
Surely as long as an engine is under some load (not just idling) then lower revs will use less diesel?

But I stand to be corrected.

Vast difference rolling on a smooth surface such as a motorway and working on a field

 

[Derrick Hughes]

A lot role ploughing before they work it , presses the furrows down I suppose

 

[Exfarmer]

A lot role ploughing before they work it , presses the furrows down I suppose

Rolling ploughing should only ever be done at a certain point. It must be dry enough to shatter the furrow. Pressing is a differnt operation which should be divided into two very different jobs.
on light land to compress the seed bed to contain moisture and create a seedbed. Second to cut and break a furrow on heavy land to assist making a seedbed..
presses for light and heavy land are quite different tools. The light land press is a wide angle roll similar to a traditional cambridge roll.
the press for heavy land is a narrow angle nearer a disc in work. Using the wrong one on the wrong land is a disaster

 

[Kidds]

He's going to allow us to use his paddle roller

What is one of them? Never heard of them before.

 

[Werzle]

Ten tonnes is always going to take more diesel than 5 tonnes before you take pulling the rolls. Then you need to pull the wheelings out

Im not so sure and wheelings could be narrower and thus deeper on the smaller tractor!

 

[Exfarmer]

Im not so sure and wheelings could be narrower and thus deeper on the smaller tractor!

Physics must have changed since I was at school ?

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Why take 10 ton over a Seed bed if 5 will do!?

 

[dowcow]

Im not so sure and wheelings could be narrower and thus deeper on the smaller tractor!

Funny thing about rolling ploughing is it takes a bit of pulling, so the lugs are actually pulling with their tread rather than just sinking like they would if you were to just drive across the field carrying a bit of weight on the rear linkage. I noticed I seemed to leave more wheel marks when engaging 4 wheel drive than I did in 2 wheel drive too.

The narrower wheels you mentioned going deeper.... they would have to be row crops for that, standard tyres would be a fairly similar pressure per square inch I would expect, but they key difference would be that they would be running over a smaller area per pass.

I don't have a combi but have a power harrow I use in front of standalone drills, and it is always a better job to do if it is rolled first. The power harrow doesn't need to go so deep and I can work to the depth I want the seed to go rather than the depth needed to make it level, and I can travel more quickly so the soil doesn't end up too fine which can cause capping in the autumn.

 

[DeeGee]

One cheap and easy method I find works well on furrows, without leaving wheelings, is a 4’ front mounted roller followed by a rear mounted Dutch Harrow. Essentially the front roller and the tractor wheels press down the furrows over about 3m, then the following levelling harrow and crumbler roller give a fine enough finish for very easy power harrow/drill sowing.

 

[alomy75]

Why take 10 ton over a Seed bed if 5 will do!?

If it’s got tracks on. On the rare occasion we roll we try to use the challenger as it sinks less than the 6420

 

[Werzle]

Funny thing about rolling ploughing is it takes a bit of pulling, so the lugs are actually pulling with their tread rather than just sinking like they would if you were to just drive across the field carrying a bit of weight on the rear linkage. I noticed I seemed to leave more wheel marks when engaging 4 wheel drive than I did in 2 wheel drive too.

The narrower wheels you mentioned going deeper.... they would have to be row crops for that, standard tyres would be a fairly similar pressure per square inch I would expect, but they key difference would be that they would be running over a smaller area per pass.

I don't have a combi but have a power harrow I use in front of standalone drills, and it is always a better job to do if it is rolled first. The power harrow doesn't need to go so deep and I can work to the depth I want the seed to go rather than the depth needed to make it level, and I can travel more quickly so the soil doesn't end up too fine which can cause capping in the autumn.

In an ideal world you would use a front press with levelling boards and have dual/flotation tyres on

 

[jh.]

Very popular round here is to use cambridge rolls with the levelling paddle boards on them in front of the combi drill.
Drill contractors love it as it makes for more speed for them.
Tractor drivers love it as its far more fun levelling with 6m than an old Hays 3m.
Can seriously empty a tank of fuel on hard going though.

I've bought a set of NRH paddle rollers with extra cultivation tines . It's on around 200hp cvt with 710s at 14psi , too high but the rollers can take a hold and we have hills we need to roll in breaks , so don't want a tyre off the rim . Pretty heavy winter ploughed soils and I'm only sitting around 6kph to save getting thrown about in the cab . According to the tractor computer it's averaging under 5litres a hec which seems very low . I can't get anywhere near this with a 3m power harrow although that is making a finer job .

Used to sow behind a 4.6m unipress which I really rated but the rollers have surprised me how well they are doing but the unipress would work in stickier backend conditions which the rollers will clag up in but for spring stuff they seem ideal .