Converting drill for direct drilling.

[clbarclay]

Not in 'one lump or two' soils like silty clays. Either slime or slab with bugger all in-between.

We tend to know our own ground better than anyone else thats never been there, but it can still surprise us at times as well.

A few years ago I was drilling WW into a cover crop with a Unidrill, but had to stop because the moist clay soil disturbed by the discs was stick the stems together and they were being balled up between the press wheels until the drill blocked. After unblocking it enough times, I tried my tine drill (since been rebuilt) which pulled through that cover crop and finished the field without any trouble. Of course I have had other conditions when the tine drill has blocked in less than a bout while the Unidrill had no trouble at all (Linseed stubble).

Discs in front of tines is no guarantee either. I had a Simtech Demo and tested it on part of one field that had been flooded the previous winter and had a lot of dead weeds with tough long branched stems. The discs on the Simtech didn't seem to do much cutting, the ground was soft enough I think the stems were mostly just pushed into the soil by the discs and then gathered up by the tines.

A mile away and not quite so sticky clay, but these pics were from drilling beans last year. Oats harvested and straw swathed start of September and then no consecutive dry days for a month prevented the straw being baled. Late October I tried the tine drill and found it would drill across the swaths. 214mm row spacing and about 700mm between each bank of tines. The headland swaths needed flail mowing before I could drill along them. The second pic was taken in a thick patch of charlock that in places had grown over 1m tall and was no bother.

Talking to Duncan at Groundswell, they would sell leading disc units, but I can't remember if they mentioned a price.

 

[5312]

We have a load of used simba tines you could buy very reasonably from us. No longer required as we switched to simtech tine and points. Pm if your interested.

If you do find a disc to run in front of your tines do share on here as we are looking at doing the same this winter. Good luck

How do you like the Simtech conversion? I like the inverted T concept. Any problems with it?

 

[5312]

I used the same Taege clamp on boots and points you are talking about on some Bareco 'S Tines ' a few years ago, the reason I liked them was that I need more ground clearance so I was able to cut 3 inches of the bottom of the tine.
They are a great point and boot setup and the the points are fairly cheap to replace.

Did you get good results with that conversion? Did you find they worked OK without a cutting disc? What size tines did you use them on?

I am tempted to try them on the 32 x 10 tines on the drill at present and just change to 45 x 12 tines as and when they break.

 

[dano]

Did you get good results with that conversion? Did you find they worked OK without a cutting disc? What size tines did you use them on?

I am tempted to try them on the 32 x 10 tines on the drill at present and just change to 45 x 12 tines as and when they break.

We used the 45 x12mm, you can also get a 'helper' for those Bareco tynes that will give you a higher break out again.

Yeah setup runs well, that point Taege run is well designed, we mainly use that drill when conditions become to sticky for our disc machine, most of the drilling has been into pasture paddocks.

 

[clbarclay]

How deep can the Teage tine+points reliably drill large seeds like winter beans?

 

[dano]

I couldn't tell you sorry, we have only ran at 50mm maximum, not familiar with how deep is required for beans?

 

[clbarclay]

I couldn't tell you sorry, we have only ran at 50mm maximum, not familiar with how deep is required for beans?

They need to be in deep enough that the rooks can't just dig or pull up the seed and deep enough so that pre-em chemicals don't affect them. I tend to run the drill around 100mm deep so they have at least 75mm of soil over the seeds.

 

[lostdog]

How do you like the Simtech conversion? I like the inverted T concept. Any problems with it?

Yes really like the SimTech seed boot. Have had some good results with it. As with any DD drill IMO speed is one of the biggest factors to how well the seed is covered as you can end up throwing the soil if you go too fast. This may improve as the soil gets more friable.

 

[Tractor tom7480]

I can supply you with Duncan tines & disc openers but they won’t fit that drill frame!
Sorry..... but you’d need to scrap it & build a new frame 70mm box (heavy wall ) to take 3 of 4 rows of tines. 4 be better more clearance ! Pm me for any further details

 

[Warp Land Farmer]

Did you ever have any success with this drill build?

 

[edwhite]

I can supply you with Duncan tines & disc openers but they won’t fit that drill frame!
Sorry..... but you’d need to scrap it & build a new frame 70mm box (heavy wall ) to take 3 of 4 rows of tines. 4 be better more clearance ! Pm me for any further details

How much are the Duncan tine and disc openers on a 6 metre set up?