Convince me to not plough

[Great In Grass]

Cambridge is the best thing if your broadcasting though, before you sow

No, it's not!

 

[Wellytrack]

So what would I do with ground poached and cattle tramped down to the til? Its heavy land, 20 year old pasture, needs reseeded.

Can’t see how I can make a job of it unless I plough.

How do I sort it well by leaving the plough where it is?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

No, it's not!

Well it has been fo 70 years here although flat roller would do same job if its dry enough.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

So what would I do with ground poached and cattle tramped down to the til? Its heavy land, 20 year old pasture, needs reseeded.

Can’t see how I can make a job of it unless I plough.

How do I sort it well by leaving the plough where it is?

Drill Turnips on it

 

[Bury the Trash]

Well it has been fo 70 years here although flat roller would do same job if its dry enough.

same here , it hasnt got 'shatta boards' on it tho whatever they are, i must be doing something wrong, not spending enough on new machinery i guess...

all he needs is a 3m ph old set of harrows of some sort..a roller of somesort an old spinner , varispreader would be ok
im not sure why all this is so difficult as its actually like falling of a log unless youre a towny

None of my clients would plough after a cereal crop unless the field was totally borked, always min-tilled grass in. There is nothing to be gained from ploughing it.

exactly, volunteers can come a bit thick if combine has chucked a load of corn out the back , barley or oats will come up and smother the seedlings in the ex. swath rows a bit but apart from that.....

 

[ollie989898]

same here , it hasnt 'shatta boards' on it tho whatever they are, i must be doing something wrong, not spending enough on new machinery i guess...

all he needs is a 3m ph a roller of somesort an an old spinner , varispreader would be ok
im not sure why all this is so difficult as its actually like falling of a log unless youre a towny

exactly, volunteers can come a bit thick if combine has chucked a load of corn out the back , barley or oats will come up and smother the seedlings in the ex. swath rows a bit but apart from that.....

Hence the need to spread spilt grains about a bit with a cultivator.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Hence the need to spread spilt grains about a bit with a cultivator.

another pass but ,yeah ideal if youve got time .

then careully used sheep keep in the winter

 

[Derrick Hughes]

same here , it hasnt got 'shatta boards' on it tho whatever they are, i must be doing something wrong, not spending enough on new machinery i guess...

all he needs is a 3m ph old set of harrows of some sort..a roller of somesort an old spinner , varispreader would be ok
im not sure why all this is so difficult as its actually like falling of a log unless youre a towny

exactly, volunteers can come a bit thick if combine has chucked a load of corn out the back , barley or oats will come up and smother the seedlings in the ex. swath rows a bit but apart from that.....

A wagtail with a 12 ft chain harrow on . Best seeder out , lot go far to deep with those grassharrow air seeders

 

[neilo]

So what would I do with ground poached and cattle tramped down to the til? Its heavy land, 20 year old pasture, needs reseeded.

Can’t see how I can make a job of it unless I plough.

How do I sort it well by leaving the plough where it is?

I would pull some tines through it rather than plough, to break it up deep enough to repair the poaching but leave all the nutrients from the cattle muck on top. If the poaching was over last winter, the damage is likely to be deep.

 

[ollie989898]

So what would I do with ground poached and cattle tramped down to the til? Its heavy land, 20 year old pasture, needs reseeded.

Can’t see how I can make a job of it unless I plough.

How do I sort it well by leaving the plough where it is?

Spray it off and plough it. No other way as your grass weed seed bank will be immense otherwise. Put into corn (still have to plough) or spray off and put brassica forage crop in then reseed in spring?

No getting away from the plough if it's grass to grass, particularly if the ley has been there a long time.

 

[Bury the Trash]

A wagtail with a 12 ft chain harrow on . Best seeder out , lot go far to deep with those grassharrow air seeders

its worth keeping one about for even just seed sowing imo.


set of spring tynes will work over erish quite well enough to get a volunteer chit, wider and lighter than trendy 'short disc' (modern name for disc harrows )
an old set of lightweight hydraulic drags are ideal for leveling before , or these day we use a grass harrow that was bought to harrow grass , when the fashion was at its peak.. bu it level s a bit and is wide enough, for speed could do with a few tynes taking off to not create a bow wave at times but just dont set him to do very much /run very deep...
none of it needs 150 hp either . 80 or 90 and 3.5 tonne weight not 7 prime mover would be fine common sense really.

or is it the fact that weve been doing it for 40 yrs or so make it seem easy as...

 

[ollie989898]

There is no need to go massively deep when doing min-till, unless of course you have tramlines/ruts that are very deep.

Had clients to who used horsch jokers, sumos and the like. Pull up tramlines in the usual manner then raise the working depth a bit and till the field at a 30 degree angle to the tramlines. If it's not fine enough, powerharrow it shallow once. Put grass in with einbock and cambridge roll once. Watch for slugs and weeds.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Spray it off and plough it. No other way as your grass weed seed bank will be immense otherwise. Put into corn (still have to plough) or spray off and put brassica forage crop in then reseed in spring?

No getting away from the plough if it's grass to grass, particularly if the ley has been there a long time.

rotavator is good alternative to the plough but wont tip soil up hill. which what i always do if im ploughing

 

[ollie989898]

rotavator is good alternative to the plough but wont tip soil up hill. which what i always do if im ploughing

Only times I have seen it used it ended up with weed grasses coming right back up in no time at all. Would consider it a last resort for land you can't plough.

 

[Kevtherev]

Secret of a good ley is a firm bottom.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Only times I have seen it used it ended up with weed grasses coming right back up in no time at all. Would consider it a last resort for land you can't plough.

got some nice looking SB atm after the rotavator , no plough, glyphosate tho.

there was a period of time in between 2wd tractors 4 furrow 12 inch bamford ploughs and 4wd tractors and rev ploughs..
that an 80 inch rotavator behind a ford 7000 was a good faster way of spring corn tilling, local man did anyway but he was a bit of go ahead type chap

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I would sooner take my chances now with a few pests and a bit of acid that what what hit us this spring, 100 % fail in some cases and a lot of weed grases and turf regrowth in some . I may be wrong but we will see . What I've seen of drilled stuff from farms around here into burnt off its romping away. 2 months and nothing in the spring, farmers will have to make their own mind up, im no expert but my eyesight is fine

 

[Bury the Trash]

There is no need to go massively deep when doing min-till, unless of course you have tramlines/ruts that are very deep.

Had clients to who used horsch jokers, sumos and the like. Pull up tramlines in the usual manner then raise the working depth a bit and till the field at a 30 degree angle to the tramlines. If it's not fine enough, powerharrow it shallow once. Put grass in with einbock and cambridge roll once. Watch for slugs and weeds.

sumos jokers etc..all take big power a draft requirement, how but looking at the subject in a different way to 'the old 'bigger implement bigger tractor creepy creepy up.

instaed as astarting how say, for arguments sake..' a 99hp tractor and its gw is 4t max . (with ballast ) that's my limit ...;?
and work on from that sort of thing...

any compaction or 'pan' as they call it can be chewed away over time .. at by chicory or others , cocksfoot etc being one example of a grass thats got tougher pushier roots, and any case clover and grass doesnt need huge depth to work at , especially to start with. ...

 

[Great In Grass]

local man did anyway but he was a bit of go ahead type chap

Was he a Cornish farmer who moved up to Deben?

 

[Bury the Trash]

Was he a Cornish farmer who moved up to Deben?

no , just a shrewd local family farmer , still going to this day , octogenarian by now

but boy it made the ford smoke abit at times...