COP26 ... Your predictions

[Half Pipe]

Not if they’re done properly. Heat recovery on a decent extraction system gets rid of all the problems you describe.

I agree if done properly!
But have you seen heat recovery extraction systems mentioned with many if any of the free insulation, upgraded boiler etc etc offers
Usually just chuck some insulation in, great benefits until dampness/condensation creeps in.
Then it's open the windows etc

 

[BrianV]

See they have published provisional amounts for this poxy ELMS scheme, basic £160 per 1,000 metres to help maintain traditional hedges, hardly worth wasting our time with if it gives them the right to poke their noses in, kind of shows where their priorities are, plant a few flowers to look pretty for a few weeks & your laughing, work hard to maintain hedges that you are forced to keep & they laugh at you!

 

[Muck Spreader]

They may have a point but lord only knows why they need to be such tw4ts over it.

Maybe if UK farmers were a bit more proactive like them, the government wouldn't be so keen on sweeping farming into the dustbin of history. Whilst farmers here in France probably don't command the fear in government they once did, they are still listened to pretty closely when something is proposed that they don't like. And the government knows very well that farming community have always had allegiances with other powerful groups who will support them.

 

[jondear]

Summary to date then:

China ... no
Russia... no
Brazil ... no
South Africa .. no

Going to be a meaningful and far reaching summit

And Saudi Arabia . Australia ,Japan etc have been lobbying to water down the climate change emergency before the hot air meeting starts !

 

[BrianV]

Maybe if UK farmers were a bit more proactive like them the government wouldn't be so keen on sweeping farming into the dustbin of history. Whilst farmers here in France probably don't command the fear in government they once did, they are still listened to pretty closely when something is proposed that they don't like. And the government knows very well that farming community have always had allegiances with other powerful groups who will support them.

Contrast that with our NFU over here that pussy foot around the government who take no notice of them at all!

 

[Still Farming]

Bit strange with all the delivery trucks on the road allegedly???

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[Farfrae]

Interesting to note that the findings relating to the actions that need to be taken to reach the proposed targets originally published on the government website included a meat tax. It was hurriedly taken down as it might not play well with some in the Tory party. Doesn't mean that it has gone away though.

UK meat tax and frequent-flyer levy proposals briefly published then deleted

Government ‘nudge unit’ document published alongside net zero strategy before being withdrawn within a few hours

www.dumptheguardian.com

 

[jondear]

And the media are dropping in stories like Meat tax etc .To bolster the rubbish anti livestock agenda!Now attaching it to climate change argument.

 

[BrianV]

And Saudi Arabia . Australia ,Japan etc have been lobbying to water down the climate change emergency before the hot air meeting starts !

Why would any countries leader come to listen a bunch of pompous hypocrites criticise them for doing very much the same thing but covering it up with meaning less token gestures!

 

[farmerm]

Not if they’re done properly. Heat recovery on a decent extraction system gets rid of all the problems you describe.

And are such proper measures practical, affordable or included in the govenment gas boiler replacement scheme? Such measure may be ok included in the design of a new build but on a retrofit of a older property? I would presume most air source installers will simply be replacing one heat source with another....

 

[le bon paysan]

104 Days after been fined £90m for dumping sewage into the environment and less than 12 hours after the uk Government voted to protect water companies and not the rivers, Southern Water were dumping sewage at 60 different locations along the south coast of England. #COP26 hypocrisy!

 

[DaveGrohl]

COP26: Document leak reveals nations lobbying to change key climate report

Countries are asking the UN to play down the need to move rapidly away from fossil fuels.

www.bbc.co.uk

Headline news, but look at the graphics for meat and where that faux information is regurgitated from.

Yup. The thing we need to realise whenever we see any of this garbage is that it ALL emanates from those two. Every single bit of misinformation or dubious claims comes from their house of cards assumptions and twisting of reality.

I'm starting to think Joseph Poore is going to be as disastrous for the human race (and planet) as Ancel Keys. The similarities in the evolution of all this are getting quite scary.

 

[le bon paysan]

In fact why don't you all get in your tractors, roll up to the summit and tell them to keep their Sewage sludge. Better still copy a French example and take some with you, it'll fit with all the sh1t that they're spouting.

 

[BrianV]

104 Days after been fined £90m for dumping sewage into the environment and less than 12 hours after the uk Government voted to protect water companies and not the rivers, Southern Water were dumping sewage at 60 different locations along the south coast of England. #COP26 hypocrisy!
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Total hypocrites sitting in government trying really hard to deflect from there inadequacies & failings!

 

[delilah]

Yup. The thing we need to realise whenever we see any of this garbage is that it ALL emanates from those two. Every single bit of misinformation or dubious claims comes from their house of cards assumptions and twisting of reality.

I'm starting to think Joseph Poore is going to be as disastrous for the human race (and planet) as Ancel Keys. The similarities in the evolution of all this are getting quite scary.

Just sent the below, will share any response.

Good afternoon Joseph, Mike.

Cows cause climate change. I’m still unsure quite how you pulled it off. Clever tactics and hard work on your part ? UK ag being its usual complacent self ? Both probably. Anyway, the game is up. You both know as well as I do that it’s nonsense. We could shoot all of the cows tomorrow and GHG emissions wouldn’t fall.

I would suggest that now, in the run up to COP26, is the perfect time to come clean and acknowledge that you got it wrong. Look at it one of two ways. You could quietly release it so that it gets lost in all the other eco news. Or you could make a name for yourselves by going large on it.

Do this now, then we can all move on and work together to address the real environmental damage. It is the food chain that needs to change, we all know that. A change in focus may present difficulties in terms of where you and your faculty get your funding from, but i’m sure that your commitment to sound science will rise above that.

Look forward to hearing from you on this.

 

[Bald Rick]

And in today's news .......

Glasgow bin men are going to strike during COP

Bin strike could turn Glasgow into 'dump' during Cop26 climate summit

A bin strike in Glasow threatens to turn the city into a 'giant rubbish dump' during the Cop26 climate change summit as staff are planning a week-long strike from November 1.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[tepapa]

And in today's news .......

Glasgow bin men are going to strike during COP

Bin strike could turn Glasgow into 'dump' during Cop26 climate summit

A bin strike in Glasow threatens to turn the city into a 'giant rubbish dump' during the Cop26 climate change summit as staff are planning a week-long strike from November 1.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Perhaps farmers should all go on strike for the week as well, that'll save loads of carbon and show our commitment to their plans. I'm sure they can import the food from NZ overnight.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Just sent the below, will share any response.

Good afternoon Joseph, Mike.

Cows cause climate change. I’m still unsure quite how you pulled it off. Clever tactics and hard work on your part ? UK ag being its usual complacent self ? Both probably. Anyway, the game is up. You both know as well as I do that it’s nonsense. We could shoot all of the cows tomorrow and GHG emissions wouldn’t fall.

I would suggest that now, in the run up to COP26, is the perfect time to come clean and acknowledge that you got it wrong. Look at it one of two ways. You could quietly release it so that it gets lost in all the other eco news. Or you could make a name for yourselves by going large on it.

Do this now, then we can all move on and work together to address the real environmental damage. It is the food chain that needs to change, we all know that. A change in focus may present difficulties in terms of where you and your faculty get your funding from, but i’m sure that your commitment to sound science will rise above that.

Look forward to hearing from you on this.

You are expecting a lot from a fairly fixed vegan like Joseph Poore. But they are dangerous blinkered people who seem to have very little understanding (or deliberately don't want to) in the essential symbiotic relationships between plants and animals, despite it being obvious for millennia to people who have worked the land, plus suggesting grass is equivalent to coal with regard to Co2 emissions is frankly ridiculous. However, there is plenty of merit in his accusations that the worldwide increase in meat and dairy production is unsustainable and it is something we definitely have to deal with, and sooner rather than later.

Did you just email him or via the BBC?

 

[Jonp]

Striking won't help, can't ask the grass to stop growing or the animals to stop gestating.
Perhaps a way to get a farming point of view across is by a high visibility campaign of lobbying by a farmers representative body in collaboration with sensible environmentalists and scientists......or by direct action like the french do sometimes.
Can see a few problems with this approach though...

 

[delilah]

Did you just email him or via the BBC?

Direct to JP and MBL. Unlike the majority on here, I have to problem with the BBC.