COP26 ... Your predictions

early riser

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The media were reporting last week that all the major economies attending COP were on the verge of signing up to an agreement to cut methane emissions by 30% by 2030, and that thus was being hailed as the solution to the climate crisis……

……… Now how they go about achieving that 30% reduction is the worrying question.

I’ve had an uneasy feeling about this event for a while

As the OP would say, what a time to be alive………,
 

BrianV

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Livestock Farmer
This the complete stupidity of the argument, UK farmland may produce 10% of emissions which is highly debatable but it absorbs an incalculable amount of emissions, contrast that with the businesses, cities & towns of this country which emits the vast majority of the UK‘s pollution but has no balancing on the plus side whatever!
FFS businesses are buying up farmland to "offset" their terrible pollution & yet farmers themselves with their own land some how do not qualify for any off set, what a load of bullsh!t!
 
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holwellcourtfarm

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The media were reporting last week that all the major economies attending COP were on the verge of signing up to an agreement to cut methane emissions by 30% by 2030, and that thus was being hailed as the solution to the climate crisis……

……… Now how they go about achieving that 30% reduction is the worrying question.

I’ve had an uneasy feeling about this event for a while

As the OP would say, what a time to be alive………,
Methane is a side issue, nothing more. Anyone increasing their methane output needs stamping on but that's it.

Actually moving towards zero CO2 emissions is where it's really at and none of the "leaders" have a clue yet how to take the public along that journey in any timescale, let alone within 25 years!
 

holwellcourtfarm

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NFFN Member
I very much doubt anything will change, no politician has the balls to see past they’re own popularity and bank balance. Almost needs a Putin style leader to make things change, but that’s a scary thought as well 🙈
Absolutely. The leadership necessary to achieve the required changes appears incompatible with democracy....

Mainstream public attitude won't change until we are stood teetering at the precipice and by then it's too late to make the changes necessary.
 

kfpben

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Mid Hampshire
Absolutely. The leadership necessary to achieve the required changes appears incompatible with democracy....

Mainstream public attitude won't change until we are stood teetering at the precipice and by then it's too late to make the changes necessary.
There won’t be a precipice though, just an imperceptible move to warmer conditions. The shifting baseline scenario.

I’m 34 and I can’t tell any difference in the weather from when I was a child. If anything we seem to have snowier winters now.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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NFFN Member
There won’t be a precipice though, just an imperceptible move to warmer conditions. The shifting baseline scenario.

I’m 34 and I can’t tell any difference in the weather from when I was a child. If anything we seem to have snowier winters now.
Don't you think the weather had become less predictable? I certainly do.

We've always had occasional drought or flood years but now it seems "all bets are off".

The precipice, in this case, won't actually be visible until we are over it and in freefall.

It'll be English summer weeks over 40⁰C, floods bigger than we've seen before, longer gaps in rainfall......

By the time the majority actually realise it's happening we will be over 2⁰C GMST rise and the damage will be "locked in".

I'm glad I was born in the 1960's as I won't see the worst of it.

Back to the OP question:

Borris will bluster about our latest promises to go green while defending HS2 and airport expansion (sustainable, of course, because all the pigs are lined up ready for takeoff) as an essential part of the solution.

Leaders will promise bigger emission cuts without saying quite how or exactly when.

All backs will receive firm pats and they'll go back to stoking their GDP as soon as it's over.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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NFFN Member
Prince William has suggested entrepreneurs should focus on saving Earth rather than engaging in space tourism.
The Duke of Cambridge said great brains and minds should be "trying to repair this planet, not trying to find the next place to go and live".
He also warned about a rise in "climate anxiety" among younger generations.
William spoke to the BBC's Newscast ahead of the first Earthshot Prize to reward those trying to save the planet.
The prize's name is a reference to the "moonshot" ambition of 1960s America, which saw then-President John F Kennedy pledge to get a man on the moon within a decade.

Speaking about the current space race and the drive to promote space tourism, William said: "We need some of the world's greatest brains and minds fixed on trying to repair this planet, not trying to find the next place to go and live.
"I think that ultimately is what sold it for me - that really is quite crucial to be focusing on this [planet] rather than giving up and heading out into space to try and think of solutions for the future."
On Wednesday, Hollywood actor William Shatner became the oldest person to go to space as he blasted off aboard the Blue Origin sub-orbital capsule developed by billionaire Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.
Sir Richard Branson and Elon Musk are also building up space businesses.
William told Newscast's Adam Fleming he had "absolutely no interest" in going as high as space, adding there was a "fundamental question" over the carbon cost of space flights.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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NFFN Member
The media were reporting last week that all the major economies attending COP were on the verge of signing up to an agreement to cut methane emissions by 30% by 2030, and that thus was being hailed as the solution to the climate crisis……

……… Now how they go about achieving that 30% reduction is the worrying question.

I’ve had an uneasy feeling about this event for a while

As the OP would say, what a time to be alive………
If that's the big announcement, I'm not sure I'm too worried about it. As other posters have observed, an announcement that "we'll cut X by Y% by the year Z" is a pretty typical announcement which losely translates to "we'll do feck all about it and make zero progress because some other lot will be in power before the year Z so we'll take all the credit for announcing the plan then blame the other party for failing to meet the target".
 
Air travel for frivolous reasons to be banned. Results from atmospheric testing demonstrate unbelievable reductions in CO2 over last 18mths. Anyone else noticed how the skies are filling up again?
The whole air travel issue is nothing short of scandalous. Last time I was dispatched to a meeting in London, I was looking forward to getting the train - 4 hours in a comfortable, quiet seat with unlimited refills of tea. "No, no" said the boss, "Book a flight down, it's cheaper". The most alarming thing was that he was right. At the time it was cheaper for an internal flight than a train journey. There needs to be a radical shift away from cheap flights.
 

jondear

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Location
Devon
One theme park ride into Space and back for everyone who goes vegan.
Especially if you are a captain of the star ship Enterprise!
Air travel for frivolous reasons to be banned. Results from atmospheric testing demonstrate unbelievable reductions in CO2 over last 18mths. Anyone else noticed how the skies are filling up again?
Yep every minute of the day trails in sky.
The other morning I saw 12 in an hour !
 

hoff135

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Location
scotland
If you want to get the public on board the super rich and all their extravagance will have to be riened in. There will be a lot of celebrities and extremely wealthy people turning up who like to live the high life. If they are going to stand on their soap box and tell the public how to live and head home in a private jet no one will listen
 

holwellcourtfarm

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NFFN Member
The whole air travel issue is nothing short of scandalous. Last time I was dispatched to a meeting in London, I was looking forward to getting the train - 4 hours in a comfortable, quiet seat with unlimited refills of tea. "No, no" said the boss, "Book a flight down, it's cheaper". The most alarming thing was that he was right. At the time it was cheaper for an internal flight than a train journey. There needs to be a radical shift away from cheap flights.
We know exactly what needs to be done:
  • Scrap GDP as a progress measure
  • Mass insulate all properties
  • Raise fossil fuel taxes each year, significantly
  • Make public transport free (or nearly free)
  • Cut aviation by 90%+
  • Fundamentally change planning rules to require all non- rural homes to be within walking distance of employment and food retail
  • Begin closing all out-of-town retail and business parks
  • Ban ALL single use plastics and ALL petrochemical based clothing
  • Outlaw "fast fashion"
  • Remove AD subsidy except on >95% waste fueled units
  • Revoke fossil fuel exploration licences
  • Scrap RHI but provide 75% grant for renewable heating installations
Hardly an electable manifesto though, is it?
 

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