Coronavirus Humour (And conspiracy Theories)

Bald Rick

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Come on, ladies and gents - is their nothing out there in dodgy taste re: the virus and the Yorkshire Ripper?

Note, I didn't say he died of it to save guth's beta blocker stocks.

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Sharpy

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Livestock Farmer
Still reeks of cognitive bias. He tested positive after he died so lets look at what was wrong with him and assume the virus caused it.
If you want to go down that route everyone dies of heart failure.
If you fall in water and your lungs fill with water eventually your heart stops beating due to lack of oxygen so heart failure kills you?
If you get electrocuted and due to this your heart stops beating then you die of heart failure?
If you stop eating eventually your body runs out of fuel and your heart stops beating so you die of heart failure?
So in your world no one dies due to drowning, electrocution or malnutrition, its all heart failure?
 
How much per life saved?
Dunno, I haven't got the time or inclination to go wading through all the ONS Excel spreadsheets but you could if you want. I think the £6M is extrapolated from the number of deaths and the size of the debt as it stands at the moment (rather than cost to the NHS), so a bit simplistic but it does make you wonder what will be the final figure.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Dunno, I haven't got the time or inclination to go wading through all the ONS Excel spreadsheets but you could if you want. I think the £6M is extrapolated from the number of deaths and the size of the debt as it stands at the moment (rather than cost to the NHS), so a bit simplistic but it does make you wonder what will be the final figure.

I was drawing parallel to the figures for health and safety. They work on £2M per fatality averted, as a rough screening value. Assuming that they save 3 for every one lost, the figure you came up with didn’t seem too bad to me, but I have no feel for how many are treated and survive but wouldn’t without treatment. It certainly compares favourably against the big railway bridge and crash barrier work done after Selby, albeit the figures are larger on both sides of the equation.
 
I was drawing parallel to the figures for health and safety. They work on £2M per fatality averted, as a rough screening value. Assuming that they save 3 for every one lost, the figure you came up with didn’t seem too bad to me, but I have no feel for how many are treated and survive but wouldn’t without treatment. It certainly compares favourably against the big railway bridge and crash barrier work done after Selby, albeit the figures are larger on both sides of the equation.
£2M per fatality for an HSE incident is okay even on a Piper Alpha scale, but an incident involving the whole country? Plus we're only about halfway through given that previous respiratory virus pandemics tend to last 18 months or so.

As well as the cost, should we also be considering how long people survive after covid19 treatment, given that those most at risk are elderly, compared to how much damage the economy is taking and how this will effect global poverty and standards of living for years to come? It's unpalatable to consider on an individual scale but it's the sort of thing national leadership teams have a duty to consider.

On the other hand, maybe global poverty is what the planet needs right now if not the human species... interesting times ahead for sure.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
£2M per fatality for an HSE incident is okay even on a Piper Alpha scale, but an incident involving the whole country? Plus we're only about halfway through given that previous respiratory virus pandemics tend to last 18 months or so.

As well as the cost, should we also be considering how long people survive after covid19 treatment, given that those most at risk are elderly, compared to how much damage the economy is taking and how this will effect global poverty and standards of living for years to come? It's unpalatable to consider on an individual scale but it's the sort of thing national leadership teams have a duty to consider.

On the other hand, maybe global poverty is what the planet needs right now if not the human species... interesting times ahead for sure.

It comes from nuclear accidents, so would affect a fair part of the country, I’d guess.

As for long term survival, I think it’s too long to say that only older folks are at risk - whilst elderly seem to be worse for prompt symptoms, I get the feeling that long Covid might be more of a young person thing.
 

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