Council Bans Unstunned Meat

Smith31

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As someone who has visited many abattoirs including halal, it is important that cctv cameras are installed. The amount of in lamb ewes and in calf cows which are sent to the halal places is unbelievable. The sellers know full well that these animals may have to travel hundreds of miles to reach the abattoirs, but they put greed before welfare. With tag numbers the animals can be traced and these farmers should be prosecuted. In addition livestock especially tups and ewes are often drugged, when presented at the auction they seem to be in good health, however by the time they reach the abattoir lairage they sometimes struggle to stand as the drugs have worn off. Again the carcasses should be drug tested and prosecutions should follow.

The Muslim customers need to be educated, in order to stop eating all the rubbish and see first hand what goes into their food chain. That's the real problem. If a animal is pregnant or has been abused it's not even halal, regardless of how many prays are said at the point of slaughter.
 
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Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
I don't follow any religion and don't understand why with certain religions the way that animals are killed is so important to them, we are in 2017 shouldn't animal/human welfare be the priority
Its 'religion' and has to be taken on faith that their book of words and traditions are the truth, the whole truth and the only way.

It amazes me that in 2017 anyone takes religion itself seriously, but there you go, there's one indoctrinated every minute.
 

simmy_bull

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Location
North Yorkshire
Its 'religion' and has to be taken on faith that their book of words and traditions are the truth, the whole truth and the only way.

It amazes me that in 2017 anyone takes religion itself seriously, but there you go, there's one indoctrinated every minute.
It would be against there human rights not to be understanding of their religion don't ya know:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Err0l

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Location
Cheshire
As someone who has visited many abattoirs including halal, it is important that cctv cameras are installed. The amount of in lamb ewes and in calf cows which are sent to the halal places is unbelievable. The sellers know full well that these animals may have to travel hundreds of miles to reach the abattoirs, but they put greed before welfare. With tag numbers the animals can be traced and these farmers should be prosecuted. In addition livestock especially tups and ewes are often drugged, when presented at the auction they seem to be in good health, however by the time they reach the abattoir lairage they sometimes struggle to stand as the drugs have worn off. Again the carcasses should be drug tested and prosecutions should follow.

The Muslim customers need to be educated, in order to stop eating all the rubbish and see first hand what goes into their food chain. That's the real problem. If a animal is pregnant or has been abused it's not even halal, regardless of how many prays are said at the point of slaughter.
How far pregnant can a cow legally be at slaughter? If its not halal to slaughter a pregnant cow maybe we should all send 1-2 month pregnant beasts in. Problem solved
 
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Cleveland
As someone who has visited many abattoirs including halal, it is important that cctv cameras are installed. The amount of in lamb ewes and in calf cows which are sent to the halal places is unbelievable. The sellers know full well that these animals may have to travel hundreds of miles to reach the abattoirs, but they put greed before welfare. With tag numbers the animals can be traced and these farmers should be prosecuted. In addition livestock especially tups and ewes are often drugged, when presented at the auction they seem to be in good health, however by the time they reach the abattoir lairage they sometimes struggle to stand as the drugs have worn off. Again the carcasses should be drug tested and prosecutions should follow.

The Muslim customers need to be educated, in order to stop eating all the rubbish and see first hand what goes into their food chain. That's the real problem. If a animal is pregnant or has been abused it's not even halal, regardless of how many prays are said at the point of slaughter.
Disgusting knowingly sending pregnant animals for slaughter....the farmers should have the sfp removed if found guilty
 

Smith31

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@Err01-if a farmer can load a pregnant animal into a trailer, take it to the mart at 8am knowing full well that animal will be at the mart most of the day, then it will be loaded on to a wagon, probably driven hundreds of miles to the abattoir all without feed, then slaughtered he or she should be prosecuted and banned from keeping livestock for life.

With all due respect farmers really should go and witness what evils are found in an abattoir gut room, endless runs of unborn lambs on cull ewe slaughter lines. The abattoir operators and the farmers are equally to blame it's nothing to do with religion it's the £.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
If a farmer can load a pregnant animal into a trailer, take it to the mart at 8am knowing full well that animal will be at the mart most of the day, then it will be loaded on to a wagon, probably driven hundreds of miles to the abattoir all without feed, then slaughtered he or she should be prosecuted and banned from keeping livestock for life.

With all due respect farmers really should go and witness what evils are found in an abattoir gut room, endless runs of unborn lambs on cull ewe slaughter lines. The abattoir operators and the farmers are equally to blame it's nothing to do with religion it's the £.

I can tell you are not a farmer.
Animals are sent to slaughter, in this case cull animals, not animals specifically bred for meat, when they need to be sent, usually for various welfare reasons but also due to disease issues such as recurrent mastitis that the farmer does not believe is sensible to treat with antibiotics, or lameness, arthritis and lord knows what. These will not be forward planned culls being sent for no particular reason. Yes, a great many will be pregnant, especially when run with bulls or rams. Its a biological and scientific fact that animals don't practise safe sex with birth control. That's unfortunate but that's the reality of life and death. Hopefully they will be killed humanely and legally.

Slaughterhouses almost mandate that animals are fasted for at least 12 hours before slaughter, because the less stomach and bowel contents they have, the less the risk of faecal and bacteriological contamination of the meat. Most people fast for 12 hours every day and if they miss breakfast, often 18 hours, so I don't see much problem with that long, as long as they have water.
 

Smith31

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I can tell you are not a farmer.
Animals are sent to slaughter, in this case cull animals, not animals specifically bred for meat, when they need to be sent, usually for various welfare reasons but also due to disease issues such as recurrent mastitis that the farmer does not believe is sensible to treat with antibiotics, or lameness, arthritis and lord knows what. These will not be forward planned culls being sent for no particular reason. Yes, a great many will be pregnant, especially when run with bulls or rams. Its a biological and scientific fact that animals don't practise safe sex with birth control. That's unfortunate but that's the reality of life and death. Hopefully they will be killed humanely and legally.

Slaughterhouses almost mandate that animals are fasted for at least 12 hours before slaughter, because the less stomach and bowel contents they have, the less the risk of faecal and bacteriological contamination of the meat. Most people fast for 12 hours every day and if they miss breakfast, often 18 hours, so I don't see much problem with that long, as long as they have water.

In reply to your post, firstly we run two family owned farms, so yes I am a farmer. I have also been a livestock buyer for a number of abattoirs, including some which slaughtered for the halal trade. Regardless of what is said on this forum, all abbattoirs including the halal operators in this country are highly regulated, animal welfare is given priority.

Secondly your post shows just how detached some farmers are from the end consumer. So you think for the sake of £70? (ewe value) it is perfectly acceptable and morally correct, for example to send a pregnant or lame cull ewe from Aberdeen to an abattoir in to the midlands, knowing full well that the animal is in pain or distress. Rather then humane slaughter on the farm. Its comments such as these which tarnish agriculture where the £ is put before animal welfare. If you made a such a comment, in a room, full of inner city housewives they would brand you evil and probably stop buying British meat.

You should ask a pregnant lady if she thinks it would be ok for her to fast for 12/18 hours, because you think it is fine for animals.

Finally the vast majority of abattoirs I dealt with, let the animals rest for a maximum of few hours then they are slaughtered, very few are left alive for 12 hours to lose weight and take up room in the lairage.
 

Cowabunga

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Secondly your post shows just how detached some farmers are from the end consumer. So you think for the sake of £70? (ewe value) it is perfectly acceptable and morally correct, for example to send a pregnant or lame cull ewe from Aberdeen to an abattoir in to the midlands, knowing full well that the animal is in pain or distress. Rather then humane slaughter on the farm. Its comments such as these which tarnish agriculture where the £ is put before animal welfare. If you made a such a comment, in a room, full of inner city housewives they would brand you evil and probably stop buying British meat.

You should ask a pregnant lady if she thinks it would be ok for her to fast for 12/18 hours, because you think it is fine for animals.

Finally the vast majority of abattoirs I dealt with, let the animals rest for a maximum of few hours then they are slaughtered, very few are left alive for 12 hours to lose weight and take up room in the lairage.

If the animal is in pain or distress then it will be reported by the abattoir vet to the relevant authorities. The statement in bold is purely yours and I object strongly that you project it on me. Now that I have the measure of you, you will be treated with the contempt that you deserve.
 

Smith31

Member
If the animal is in pain or distress then it will be reported by the abattoir vet to the relevant authorities. The statement in bold is purely yours and I object strongly that you project it on me. Now that I have the measure of you, you will be treated with the contempt that you deserve.

Your original comment implied that it was acceptable to send animals which were pregnant to slaughter, as long as they were slaughtered legally.Please read your own post.

Birth control is simple, don't let the bull or tup have a go on an animal which you think is ill or too old, instead of trying to get another years offspring from it.

Animals which are pregnant should not be sent to slaughter, full stop and this is not acceptable in 2017. Especially when us British farmers, are trying so hard to market ourselves as having the highest welfare standards in the world.

This thread is about animal welfare, namely halal slaughter, the last few seconds of a animals life. Yet you will defend farmers who will allow pregnant animals to be sent to slaughter and suffer in transport for hours to reach the abattoir.

I apologise to the forum as I do not wish to cause an argument.However the transport and slaughter of old, pregnant cull animals is just unacceptable.
 

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