Country getting close to anarchy??

[grainboy]

There will be problems if the pictures that are coming out today show,
Barbecues, football/ gyms in park, masses of walkers in parks, open males kissing in Southend, and so on.
Oh and a couple in a local gateway, getting it on, two cars, so probably not their only partner, !!

 

[SilliamWhale]

I might , trying to belittle the Sally Army at times like this tut tut, they do good work .

Im not belittling them at all.

 

[Highland Mule]

A situation under control you say. During the heavy snow of the spring of 2013 DARD requested help from the military to get forage to stranded sheep in the mountains and glens of Antrim, they duly obliged and two Chinooks were supplied to RAF Aldergrove where Round Bales of silage and a few pallets of high energy licks were provided. They were given the location of flocks in need, they loaded up and then set off, dropping them in the wrong places! When this error was discovered (they had made an error translating the DARD maps to their own) they set off again and this time took the care to drop the supplies beside where they seen the sheep in the locality of these remote locations, it was deemed a success. Days later when farmers began to get to their sheep they were reporting finding ewes dead where they had congregated beside the feed drops. The wrap was still intact on the bales and the lids were still on the lick buckets FFS.

Maybe the farmers should have been more explicit with their instructions.

 

[ratchet spanner]

local Farm placed a box of potatoes on the green of two local villages at the weekend and invited people to help themselves. Nice touch I thought and not bad PR either.

 

[le bon paysan]

I'll sound like a dick for saying this, but I reckon it all went to sh!t when they did away with the cane/rod/strap at school.
I know for sure that many right little darlings around the place fear nothing because they've never had a ruler across the back of their legs or any real "authority figure" in their lives - even their parent(s) would rather behave like a friend than a parent.

It's a whole-society problem now, not crime, not drugs..... the question needs to be asked "why the addiction"

We have 2 girls, 15 and 17. We made a conscious effort when they were small to say no, a lot. As they got older we said yes more often. Now they are mature for their age, responsible and people say what nice girls they are. Their friends from little are not all like that, one is a proper little madam.
You wouldn't put up with a badly behaved dog so why should kids be allowed to run riot. We are appalled sometimes seeing what some kids do and how their parents let them.
OMG I sound like my father used to! Showing my age!!

 

[Robt]

We are incredibly fortunate to have a large garden so are staying in that. Enjoying the sunshine and doing some jobs.... some have 1000 acre gardens and can continue to go to work ( most bloody love their jobs) .... now think about the poor buggers ( yes they chose to live in a town) could you imagine being stuck in a tiny house with no garden. Wishing you could go to work just to see something other than the same four walls.... we are all in this together. Let’s give a little to those less fortunate than us!

 

[7610 super q]

It never ceases to amaze me what short memories folks have.
Forgotten about the riots and looting in August 2011 already ?
Whilst other countries may not have civil unrest, I'm afraid it ain't far under the surface in Blighty.
I hope we don't see it, but I'll not hold me breath.

 

[SteveHants]

I'll sound like a dick for saying this, but I reckon it all went to sh!t when they did away with the cane/rod/strap at school.
I know for sure that many right little darlings around the place fear nothing because they've never had a ruler across the back of their legs or any real "authority figure" in their lives - even their parent(s) would rather behave like a friend than a parent.

It's a whole-society problem now, not crime, not drugs..... the question needs to be asked "why the addiction"

I'll bite on that one.

Violent crime has fallen considerably since then, if you actually look at the figures and don't just believe the papers.
Don't think for a second that because kids were beaten that somehow made them less aggressive. I have the (mis?) fortune to have been born in Salford, my old man was beaten cane; (and apparently shoes) at school, belt at home.

Did that make him a placid youth? Far from it, I'm afraid. He'd taken beatings all his childhood, so felt obliged to mete them out as an angry young man.

 

[Sharpy]

I'll sound like a dick for saying this, but I reckon it all went to sh!t when they did away with the cane/rod/strap at school.
I know for sure that many right little darlings around the place fear nothing because they've never had a ruler across the back of their legs or any real "authority figure" in their lives - even their parent(s) would rather behave like a friend than a parent.

It's a whole-society problem now, not crime, not drugs..... the question needs to be asked "why the addiction"

I don't think it's the lack of physical punishment thats the problem really, as far as I can see the real problem is the lack of discipline in many families and the failure of the parents to take any responsibility for their children because "thats his social workers job". I have had 6 employee's over the years and 4 of them were failed by their families far more than school. They left me much more able for life than when they arrived, but so much potential wasted, so much pain caused.

 

[SteveHants]

I don't think it's the lack of physical punishment thats the problem really, as far as I can see the real problem is the lack of discipline in many families and the failure of the parents to take any responsibility for their children because "thats his social workers job". I have had 6 employee's over the years and 4 of them were failed by their families far more than school. They left me much more able for life than when they arrived, but so much potential wasted, so much pain caused.

There were always those families, kids turfed onto the streets, nowt to eat at home etc.

 

[Sharpy]

There were always those families, kids turfed onto the streets, nowt to eat at home etc.

Yes, but these were physically looked after but not nurtured. Really its invisible abuse.

 

[SteveHants]

Yes, but these were physically looked after but not nurtured. Really its invisible abuse.

Some were, lots weren't. Some were out because dad would beat them if they were in, some were out because they were on the rob because they had nowt.

 

[Pilatus]

local Farm placed a box of potatoes on the green of two local villages at the weekend and invited people to help themselves. Nice touch I thought and not bad PR either.

I hope some will thank the farmer.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Really?
Did you hit your kids?

I have done.

Probably given the eldest (10) a couple of smacks in his lifetime, once for taking off through a carpark and down the main street of Invercargill (and nearly going under a reversing van) springs to mind.
Yelling "Stop!" definitely didn't work, he thought it was a game.

 

[Sharpy]

Some were, lots weren't. Some were out because dad would beat them if they were in, some were out because they were on the rob because they had nowt.

I cannot speak for your experiences, only mine.

 

[SteveHants]

I cannot speak for your experiences, only mine.

It's alright - I once tried to explain Salford to one of my Ag students (they had suspected that I wasn't from a farming background). When I said that It could be a tad....rough - she replied that it probably wasn't as rough as Warminster........

 

[shumungus]

Conditions must have been worse than 1947 and 1963 if farmers and shepherds couldn't get to their sheep, particularly when the feed for them was already in situ. And unlike 1963, in 2013 we had big 4WD tractors and even snowmobiles.

But I take the point about the lids still being on the licks.

My father done 47 and 63, he said 2013 was worse but didn't last as long. It blizzarded steady for 48 hrs, no snow below 300ft at 800ft we had drifts 12 to 15 ft deep came on the 12th March I think.

 

[shumungus]

Maybe the farmers should have been more explicit with their instructions.

Its hard to tell someone when they already know it all.

 

[farmerm]

It never ceases to amaze me what short memories folks have.
Forgotten about the riots and looting in August 2011 already ?
Whilst other countries may not have civil unrest, I'm afraid it ain't far under the surface in Blighty.
I hope we don't see it, but I'll not hold me breath.

Yep agree riots and looting are coming... there is now a generation of youth who have been told for a 2 months that they will not suffer serious illness from the virus but have now lost their jobs and have lots and time, little money and no respect for law and order. Also not helping are news reporting that the police are openly saying they doubt that they can adequately enforce the new rules The could at least tried to bluff it out for a few days and hope people cooperated rather that openly admit that the rules can not be enforced!!

 

[Highland Mule]

Its hard to tell someone when they already know it all.

Too true, and easy to be wise after the event too. But explicit written instructions with checklist would have been done to the letter, from my experience with similar situations.