Country getting close to anarchy??

[holywell farmer]

I do hope not, the police are taking everything to extremes, and some sections of the population have long memories, Borris may wish to be Churchillian, but that man turned the army out to break a strike, we already have vigilante groups rearing their heads, a clash between the army and one of those would be serious indeed

People talk and act big, some of these types that are angry won't take on the army they will run scared back home.

 

[Ley253]

People talk and act big, some of these types that are angry won't take on the army they will run scared back home.

Until, that is, there is a large enough group of them.

 

[holywell farmer]

Until, that is, there is a large enough group of them.

Uk soldiers havent been on the uk streets with guns in decades since Northern Ireland and the troubles, no one wants uk army shooting its own people in peace time, the tabloids would have a field day if someone in London was shot by a British soldier.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Withdrawal of food and water plus increasing doses of morphine. Isn't it convenient that they are always able to summon all the family (excl C19)
just in time for the beloved to pass away.

The Liverpool pathway.

 

[4course]

oh how I long for the days when queen and country meant something and I whilst still respecting others could say think and do more or less as I thought and the powers that be wether institutional or press etc protected my rights and those who didnt agree with me had the same freedoms.We have lost so much and this situation could well mean we loose more

 

[Ley253]

Uk soldiers havent been on the uk streets with guns in decades since Northern Ireland and the troubles, no one wants uk army shooting its own people in peace time, the tabloids would have a field day if someone in London was shot by a British soldier.

That could lead to a street gang war, all the gangs would be vying with each other to gain credence for beating an army patrol, and just imagine if a weapon was stolen from the patrol!

 

[unlacedgecko]

Uk soldiers havent been on the uk streets with guns in decades since Northern Ireland and the troubles, no one wants uk army shooting its own people in peace time, the tabloids would have a field day if someone in London was shot by a British soldier.

The British Army carried out armed patrols (and other operations) in support of the RUC/PSNI until 2007.

In 2003 soldiers were deployed across the UK in response to specific intelligence that terrorists were going to use a missile against a plane at an airport.

 

[holywell farmer]

That could lead to a street gang war, all the gangs would be vying with each other to gain credence for beating an army patrol, and just imagine if a weapon was stolen from the patrol!

No prime minster of the uk wants to be remembered for giving military orders to use live ammunition in city like London the uk isn't at war.

 

[Highland Mule]

The British Army carried out armed patrols (and other operations) in support of the RUC/PSNI until 2007.

In 2003 soldiers were deployed across the UK in response to specific intelligence that terrorists were going to use a missile against a plane at an airport.

Operation Temperer had troops in the streets in 2017, after the Ariana Grande bomb. It happens more than most folks realise.

 

[Ley253]

No prime minster of the uk wants to be remembered for giving military orders to use live ammunition in city like London the uk isn't at war.

quite right, but Churchill did similar either before or after ww1, though he was not PM. Cant remember much about it,long time ago I read an article.

 

[DeeGee]

quite right, but Churchill did similar either before or after ww1, though he was not PM. Cant remember much about it,long time ago I read an article.

quite right, but Churchill did similar either before or after ww1, though he was not PM. Cant remember much about it,long time ago I read an article.

I know he deployed troops to South Wales against striking miners, possibly in the 1920’s?
Not 100% sure of the finer details, but contrary to the hero status he enjoyed in most of the UK, he certainly wasn’t popular in the valleys; and I would guess that he still ain’t.

 

[unlacedgecko]

quite right, but Churchill did similar either before or after ww1, though he was not PM. Cant remember much about it,long time ago I read an article.

Doesn’t even need to be live ammo. Baton rounds have yet to be used on the UK mainland...

The military can get rather carried away with such things. During a public order incident in former Yugoslavia an armoured company commander gave the order to use baton rounds. He forgot to give the order to stop using baton rounds. At the end of the incident the company had fired over 20 ???

 

[Ley253]

Doesn’t even need to be live ammo. Baton rounds have yet to be used on the UK mainland...

The military can get rather carried away with such things. During a public order incident in former Yugoslavia an armoured company commander gave the order to use baton rounds. He forgot to give the order to stop using baton rounds. At the end of the incident the company had fired over 20 ???

The police are getting carried away already, I believe there are strict controls on the flying of drones near people, unless it seems you wear a blue uniform! You cant stand closer than six feet to someone, unless you are issuing a fine because you dont consider the receipiants journey to have been essential!

 

[Robt]

No prime minster of the uk wants to be remembered for giving military orders to use live ammunition in city like London the uk isn't at war.

I am not picking at you, im merely asking a question as I’m interested. Your post this last week have been so eloquently written? Have you got a new computer?

 

[SteveHants]

quite right, but Churchill did similar either before or after ww1, though he was not PM. Cant remember much about it,long time ago I read an article.

Tonypandy
Glasgow

It's why many of the generation that fought in WW2 despised him, especially in industrial areas.

My grandparents were all in the services during WW2, all despised Churchill.

 

[holywell farmer]

I am not picking at you, im merely asking a question as I’m interested. Your post this last week have been so eloquently written? Have you got a new computer?

No,

 

[holywell farmer]

Same will happen to Johnson and the tories in 2024 sadly, first 3 years of starmer lead government will be ok, then they will mess up the economy or be at war with someone.

 

[Scribus]

That could lead to a street gang war, all the gangs would be vying with each other to gain credence for beating an army patrol, and just imagine if a weapon was stolen from the patrol!

There are probably more guns out there then people realise. I once stopped to help at an accident on the M6, nobody was injured thank goodness but I later found out that the car boot was full of guns destined for a drug gang in Birmingham.

The prospect of Inner city warfare must be an absolute nightmare for any government, will they really turn out troops to enforce a curfew? Have they the manpower to try it anyway? Does the current situation of the virus taking out mainly the elderly and ill justify such a move? Will victims of police/army shootings be considerd part of the covid death toll? How does one distinguish between a 'bad person' breaking the rules and desperate people wanting escape from danger at home? It's all very well indulging in an armchair blood lust but there are no simple answers or decisions.

 

[holywell farmer]

There are probably more guns out there then people realise. I once stopped to help at an accident on the M6, nobody was injured thank goodness but I later found out that the car boot was full of guns destined for a drug gang in Birmingham.

The prospect of Inner city warfare must be an absolute nightmare for any government, will they really turn out troops to enforce a curfew? Have they the manpower to try it anyway? Does the current situation of the virus taking out mainly the elderly and ill justify such a move? Will victims of police/army shootings be considerd part of the covid death toll? How does one distinguish between a 'bad person' breaking the rules and desperate people wanting escape from danger at home? It's all very well indulging in an armchair blood lust but there are no simple answers or decisions.

Sad thing is criminal gangs will be selling things like food and medicine on the black market during this crisis

 

[e3120]

No,

Holywell, please take this positively. I too have seen a different side to your postings. They have been more insightful and refreshing when most forum content has suffered under current pressure.