Country getting close to anarchy??

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Tonypandy
Glasgow

It's why many of the generation that fought in WW2 despised him, especially in industrial areas.

My grandparents were all in the services during WW2, all despised Churchill.

Aye, and they wasted little time in kicking him out of office as soon as the European war was over.

 

[holywell farmer]

Holywell, please take this positively. I too have seen a different side to your postings. They have been more insightful and refreshing when most forum content has suffered under current pressure.

Thanks

 

[holywell farmer]

Holywell, please take this positively. I too have seen a different side to your postings. They have been more insightful and refreshing when most forum content has suffered under current pressure.

I myself have had a bit of a mixed 2020' so far but I'm trying to adapt to the current situation,
There are many on this forum I feel for who are might not be directly involved in farming industry, self employed, a fitter or lorry driver worried about the current situation, I can't begain to think what's it's like for farmer worrying about his health and indeed what his income is going to be like over the next few months,

 

[unlacedgecko]

There are probably more guns out there then people realise. I once stopped to help at an accident on the M6, nobody was injured thank goodness but I later found out that the car boot was full of guns destined for a drug gang in Birmingham.

The prospect of Inner city warfare must be an absolute nightmare for any government, will they really turn out troops to enforce a curfew? Have they the manpower to try it anyway? Does the current situation of the virus taking out mainly the elderly and ill justify such a move? Will victims of police/army shootings be considerd part of the covid death toll? How does one distinguish between a 'bad person' breaking the rules and desperate people wanting escape from danger at home? It's all very well indulging in an armchair blood lust but there are no simple answers or decisions.

Guns are easy to obtain. I'd say one could get an illegal firearm within 24hrs in any large town in the UK.

Ammunition in any significant quantity is slightly more challenging but not overly.

 

[Werzle]

When less than 100 were dying p/day the likes of tesco wanted us to sign up to home delivery, now 500+ p/day are dying they want us to consider shopping in-store so home deliveries can cope with demand! I wouldnt worry about gun crime atm, cocaine consumption will have dropped through the floor with pubs and nightclubs shut

 

[Scribus]

When less than 100 were dying p/day the likes of tesco wanted us to sign up to home delivery, now 500+ p/day are dying they want us to consider shopping in-store so home deliveries can cope with demand! I wouldnt worry about gun crime atm, cocaine consumption will have dropped through the floor with pubs and nightclubs shut

It's not so much the crime as the fact that if soldiers are put on the streets then they may have rather more armed civlians to deal with than they anticipated.

 

[holywell farmer]

Guns are easy to obtain. I'd say one could get an illegal firearm within 24hrs in any large town in the UK.

Ammunition in any significant quantity is slightly more challenging but not overly.

I would be worried about east London, Manchester and Glasgow, that's were there are many gangs and criminals who will be armed and dangerous.

 

[Red Fred]

I won't be planning any attacks, I just went for my weekly outing to pick up supplies at a well known countrystore, and after getting through the very good anti-virus defences in the car park, I went into the store and asked for 5 bags of 20.10.10 for Mrs Fred's paddocks, but was sent packing as I didn't have photo ID and could have been planning an attack. I pointed out I was putting it on account, and have been a member for 40 years and I had various envelopes, etc, in my pockets, but that wasn't enough.

 

[holywell farmer]

It probably be a few angry idiots in the street

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Aye, and they wasted little time in kicking him out of office as soon as the European war was over.

Yup. Then 6 years later he was back in. If the truth about the fuel crisis of the winter of '47/'48 had got out a vote of no confidence in Attlee's government would have seen Labour booted out, with Churchill most likely to win the GE that would have taken place after a VNC.

 

[SteveHants]

Yup. Then 6 years later he was back in. If the truth about the fuel crisis of the winter of '47/'48 had got out a vote of no confidence in Attlee's government would have seen Labour booted out, with Churchill most likely to win the GE that would have taken place after a VNC.

And thank god they didn't or there wouldn't be an NHS for people to clap, there wouldn't be (what remains of) social housing, social security etc etc.

 

[Red Fred]

Dad was an RAF bomb aimer at the end of the war, but was redirected down the mines alongside the Bevin boys, but they kept him under RAF orders so he was still under military control. He thought it very cynical. He always used to say he didn't mind volunteering to fly, but he was damned if he would become a miner to get the Labour government out of a hole.

 

[Tarw Coch]

I won't be planning any attacks, I just went for my weekly outing to pick up supplies at a well known countrystore, and after getting through the very good anti-virus defences in the car park, I went into the store and asked for 5 bags of 20.10.10 for Mrs Fred's paddocks, but was sent packing as I didn't have photo ID and could have been planning an attack. I pointed out I was putting it on account, and have been a member for 40 years and I had various envelopes, etc, in my pockets, but that wasn't enough.

What sort of attack could you make with 20 10 10 ?
Allways thought you had to use AN to make a Big Bang.

 

[Tarw Coch]

There are probably more guns out there then people realise. I once stopped to help at an accident on the M6, nobody was injured thank goodness but I later found out that the car boot was full of guns destined for a drug gang in Birmingham.

The prospect of Inner city warfare must be an absolute nightmare for any government, will they really turn out troops to enforce a curfew? Have they the manpower to try it anyway? Does the current situation of the virus taking out mainly the elderly and ill justify such a move? Will victims of police/army shootings be considerd part of the covid death toll? How does one distinguish between a 'bad person' breaking the rules and desperate people wanting escape from danger at home? It's all very well indulging in an armchair blood lust but there are no simple answers or decisions.

A guy I know is very good friend with a solicitor who makes his living defending some of these gangs, apparently some of them aren’t very bright.
One night the police came across a car broke down on one of the main dual carriageways into Birmingham, it had a stash of guns and tens of thousands of money in the boot, they had run out of petrol.
You would think that If you were going to undertake such dodgy dealings you’d make sure the car was filled up first, it’s hardly as if they were tight for cash.

 

[Scribus]

A guy I know is very good friend with a solicitor who makes his living defending some of these gangs, apparently some of them aren’t very bright.
One night the police came across a car broke down on one of the main dual carriageways into Birmingham, it had a stash of guns and tens of thousands of money in the boot, they had run out of petrol.
You would think that If you were going to undertake such dodgy dealings you’d make sure the car was filled up first, it’s hardly as if they were tight for cash.

I always think of the criminal element as being a wee bit short in the top drawer or stupendously bright and don't recognise the boundaries set by society.

 

[unlacedgecko]

A guy I know is very good friend with a solicitor who makes his living defending some of these gangs, apparently some of them aren’t very bright.
One night the police came across a car broke down on one of the main dual carriageways into Birmingham, it had a stash of guns and tens of thousands of money in the boot, they had run out of petrol.
You would think that If you were going to undertake such dodgy dealings you’d make sure the car was filled up first, it’s hardly as if they were tight for cash.

The number of times such people have been discovered after being stopped for having lights out, expired tax/no MOT is astounding.

Like you say, if one was to undertake such lucrative and naughty things surely one would seek to attract as little attention as possible.

 

[DeeGee]

What sort of attack could you make with 20 10 10 ?
Allways thought you had to use AN to make a Big Bang.

Not always essential to have ammonium nitrate; the Manhattan project managed to produce a couple of fairly big bangs without half inching any blue bags!

 

[jendan]

Dad was an RAF bomb aimer at the end of the war, but was redirected down the mines alongside the Bevin boys, but they kept him under RAF orders so he was still under military control. He thought it very cynical. He always used to say he didn't mind volunteering to fly, but he was damned if he would become a miner to get the Labour government out of a hole.

I thought it was completely at random if you were a Bevin boy,based on your Nat Insurance number ended in a 0 or a 1.?

 

[Goweresque]

I always think of the criminal element as being a wee bit short in the top drawer or stupendously bright and don't recognise the boundaries set by society.

One suspects the latter mastermind operations, make the money, and get the former to do the dirty work, and the time.

 

[Red Fred]

I thought it was completely at random if you were a Bevin boy,based on your Nat Insurance number ended in a 0 or a 1.?

I think that is how the Bevin boy scheme worked, but dad was already a serving air bomber having joined the RAFVR and trained in Canada in 1943/4. He wasn't technically a part of the scheme, but rather a serviceman still under military orders. I think there were quite a few but their story isn't really known like the Bevin Boys.