County Council worry about Big Kit!

[shelly reynolds]

You are not factually correct, if the highway is just 8 feet wide, you are technically trespassing on the adjoining landowners property. It is though legal if the tyres do not exceed the highway width as you cannot trespass by overhanging.

I thought between hedges, ditches etc. is Queens highway, i had a parking issue a while back and all the authorities just passed the buck, 6 feet from the curb is highways nest x amount of ground is county council and so on. Parish Cpuncils are generally retired bussiness people and newbies to the area going to change everything

 

[primmiemoo]

Roads have absolutely nothing to do with the parish council or local borough council, they may moan and groan all they like , but it is the County council who are responsible.
However there is a big but, many vehicles today using these roads are wider than the standard back lane, many of these are only 8 ( approx 2.45 metres) feet in law and that often includes the verge!
Many of the modern vehicles and their tyres are very much wider than this.
Certainly poor drainage caused by filling in the roadside ditches is causing big issues, but then many of those ditches were pushed in by the big vehicles passing

The teams equivalent to parish lengthsmen work hard to keep the road drainage right, but all it takes is drivers of large vehicles (Transit van, SUV, lorry, tractor) to drive without due care and attention to the conditions on the road, and it can soon be ruined.

 

[br jones]

Moan all you like ,some of the kit is too big.there will tractor drivers licenses and tachos before too long ,and hauling miles on the roads will be white diesel ,tax the easy source

 

[Bald Rick]

actually ....reckon real problem is in dairy/ad areas.....big super dairies having to cart slurry/silage for miles

 

[fieldfarmer]

You are not factually correct, if the highway is just 8 feet wide, you are technically trespassing on the adjoining landowners property. It is though legal if the tyres do not exceed the highway width as you cannot trespass by overhanging.

So where do we find this out then for individual roads or if its actually true?

 

[betweenthelines]

You are not factually correct, if the highway is just 8 feet wide, you are technically trespassing on the adjoining landowners property. It is though legal if the tyres do not exceed the highway width as you cannot trespass by overhanging.

I was replying to a post about parked vehicles reducing the usable width of the highway.

If someone parks so as to reduce the usable road width and I wish to pass with any vehicle I am entitled to drive-say a 10ft wide combine-that person is causing an obstruction. Parish Council are talking rubbish.

 

[fieldfarmer]

I was replying to a post about parked vehicles reducing the usable width of the highway.

If someone parks so as to reduce the usable road width and I wish to pass with any vehicle I am entitled to drive-say a 10ft wide combine-that person is causing an obstruction. Parish Council are talking rubbish.

Sounds a bit like on village we have to go through, a 2 carriage way main road between houses with multiple parked cars on one carriage way any night you try to move through their can take ages until they park better.

 

[Flat 10]

I was replying to a post about parked vehicles reducing the usable width of the highway.

If someone parks so as to reduce the usable road width and I wish to pass with any vehicle I am entitled to drive-say a 10ft wide combine-that person is causing an obstruction. Parish Council are talking rubbish.

That's what I hoped was the case. There's no alternative route in my case, and its the only access to ~2000acres of land less than 10% of which is mine so many other people are affected. Big current problem is visitors to nearby National Trust property leaving cars to go for a walk. They can't be reached via notices in the parish magazine or leaflets through the door.

 

[Northern territory]

That maybe explains why they've stopped tarmacing the roads, to save the planet and prevent damaging the ragwort beds.

And cynical me thought it was because they'd spent most of the annual roads and education budgets on their massive pension black hole, on the first day of their annual accounting period. Silly me...

A man after my own heart. Road maintenance is pee poor.

 

[Simon Chiles]

We have land through a dead end village with no alternative route. The road is 2 lane and therefore plenty wide enough for any machinery we want to take down there but the issue we have is inconsiderate parking at all times of day. Our machinery isn’t that large by modern standards and we aren’t the only farm business affected. I have tried to engage with the parish council before the situation gets any worse and they just say that if our vehicle is over 2.55m wide it’s our problem and that it’s illegal for us to go in the pavement. This is the same parish council that ignored any of our objections to new pubs, nurseries and other businesses opening in the village due to lack of parking and now won’t help us. Anybody have any experience of a situation like this and any useful advice to offer? Oh and yes we have had the local lunatic maize contractors souring relations which hasn’t helped at all. I’m tempted to take the combine down there and get stuck, take the keys out and leave it there but that is likely to make things worse.

I was replying to a post about parked vehicles reducing the usable width of the highway.

If someone parks so as to reduce the usable road width and I wish to pass with any vehicle I am entitled to drive-say a 10ft wide combine-that person is causing an obstruction. Parish Council are talking rubbish.

Parked vehicles that restrict your vehicle using the road comes under obstructing the carriageway. Call the police, they should, technically, give them all a ticket. As it comes into police policy of easy pickings it shouldn’t be difficult to get them to co-operate.
One of my old customers, the same one that removed the car with the pallet forks, had the misfortune to hit a parked car in a narrow village. The owner of the car got suitably irate so my customer called the police. The owner of the car got a ticket for obstructing the carriageway which only added insult to his situation.

 

[henman]

Local council nfu police have all been involved in discussions about large slurry tankers and silage trailers destroying road verges hear in Pembrokeshire

 

[steveR]

I don't live in the parish so don't think it would be appropriate for me to be on the council if it was/is allowed.

Do you live within 3 miles or own land within the Parish?

If you do, you are eligible I believe.

 

[sjt01]

no your lads are pretty good .....got behind one of your trailers briefly yesterday in binham before he turned off

That was our new engineer, new to farming, only his second day with tractor and trailer.

 

[spin cycle]

That was our new engineer, new to farming, only his second day with tractor and trailer.

he was nice+steady

 

[ollie989898]

All these arguments about farm kit are nonsense when HGVs are on the roads. What fuel is in them or what tax class they are in is immaterial, there are HGVs about running on red and with no tacho, legally. Mobile cranes, diggers, drain suction tankers, delivery vehicles etc etc all of them are heavy and hefty.

 

[shelly reynolds]

Local council nfu police have all been involved in discussions about large slurry tankers and silage trailers destroying road verges hear in Pembrokeshire

As said beford the village green destroyed by the school run parish council,CC,school and police can do nothing as no offence is being committed

 

[steveR]

As said beford the village green destroyed by the school run parish council,CC,school and police can do nothing as no offence is being committed

When I was Chair of the PC, we had a problem of cars on PC land. I had a word with a local lad with a digger, and a small bund around the access points sorted that...!

Did have a complaint from one woman who drove up onto the bund and was left stuck on to of the bund mound. I am afraid I was less than sympathetic.

 

[kiwi pom]

Yes but AD gangs ripping up villages on the wettest day of the year, transporting loads back to distant plants is not valid farming is it.

The thing is that's easy fixed if the law was enforced. The tractors are bound to be speeding because they're probably over width with big tyres etc. Then there's the weight issue with massive tankers and trailers. I'm sure they're over 18 ton?
If the police or VOSA(?) followed them round and pulled them over every time, until they ran legally, they'd have to change.
Going to artics might not completely solve the problem but at least they'd be paying the correct tax, run white diesel and have qualified drivers.

 

[Tarw Coch]

A tax on tractors in too difficult to enforce IMO, maybe a tax on trailers over a certain weight would work, a bit, I can't see an easy answer tbh. Also taxes rarely get spent where they're supposed to go.

It’s not a tax that’s needed, it’s enforcement of current laws, Max legal weight of a trailer including load is 18.29 tons

 

[glasshouse]

Just ban tractors from the roads
Force everyone to farm in a ring fence