Covid 19.. Milk price impact?

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Imagine doing that to the feed or fert company, actually markets dropped, I am only going to pay you 15% of last years price.
court proceedings would follow ! We have some legal work, ongoing, that stopped, due to increased workload from farmers getting court letters, from companies. Its a shame that we cant sue for 'break of contract'.
When we fell out with arla, in the small 'print' loads of 'get out' clauses, for them, and we were told, we were stupid not to have had the contract checked by a lawyer. Really shouldn't have to do that.
 

Sid

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
court proceedings would follow ! We have some legal work, ongoing, that stopped, due to increased workload from farmers getting court letters, from companies. Its a shame that we cant sue for 'break of contract'.
When we fell out with arla, in the small 'print' loads of 'get out' clauses, for them, and we were told, we were stupid not to have had the contract checked by a lawyer. Really shouldn't have to do that.
But it was "your" company. You can't sue yourself can you?
 

westwards

Member
I've had my April milk invoice now and it works out as 12.2 p/litre overall. About half my milk seems to have been sold at contract price with the other half at 5p/litre. That's after haulage, obviously.
Anyone want to buy 150 top quality dairy cattle, a large proportion confirmed in-calf with as many as 50 to sexed premium Genus bulls? I know many have not had price reductions so may like the opportunity.
All vaccinated for years for BVD Lepto and Salmonella [latest salmonella vaccine in the fridge ready to administer] and monitored Johnnes free.
How far are you from Haverfordwest, would you consider FM ?@Cowabunga
 

Ducati899

Member
Location
north dorset
Have you applied for bounce back loan? I know it’s more debt but it’s always an option if you want to fair long term,


personally I think that bounce back loan is a recipe for disaster,not just in farming but every industry...all these people thinking that they’ll pay it off before the interest kicks in,nah not gonna happen,just prolonging the agony in my mind
 

Twopokes

New Member
I've had my April milk invoice now and it works out as 12.2 p/litre overall. About half my milk seems to have been sold at contract price with the other half at 5p/litre. That's after haulage, obviously.
Anyone want to buy 150 top quality dairy cattle, a large proportion confirmed in-calf with as many as 50 to sexed premium Genus bulls? I know many have not had price reductions so may like the opportunity.
All vaccinated for years for BVD Lepto and Salmonella [latest salmonella vaccine in the fridge ready to administer] and monitored Johnnes free.
Sorry to hear about this, you must have the same milk buyer as us. Ours was worse than that even, 40% of April milk was at 5ppl, 60% at 11ppl, averaged out at around 9ppl for the whole month. Most milk we turned out on the farm was in April, so got penalised for producing more then previous years. It was only 2015 we had the last shoeing milk price wise, and I'm pretty sure a lot are still recovering from thst crash, only to be welcomed by this shambles. Leaves very little options unfortunately.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
So they say through paid farmer reps, BOR etc.
All the promo material over the tankers the adverts all make big of the farmer own part.

Or does the management make all the decisions?
by the time we had finished with talking, and going walking, we had decided it was run by managers, for the benefit of managers, there was some serious money, paid to the lower rank 'managers' - the ones that go face to face with farmers. What did surprise us, was the effort put in, to change our minds, they really did not want us to go. But, it was up to them, sort collections out, wash tank, or give us some slack. Up to 3 tankers a night, no agitator after first tanker, seldom pushed the auto wash button, higher BScans, no leeway.
The clincher, when they showed us a chart, showing they paid the best yearly av price, bar one, Barbers, who were pleased to have us back.
 
by the time we had finished with talking, and going walking, we had decided it was run by managers, for the benefit of managers, there was some serious money, paid to the lower rank 'managers' - the ones that go face to face with farmers. What did surprise us, was the effort put in, to change our minds, they really did not want us to go. But, it was up to them, sort collections out, wash tank, or give us some slack. Up to 3 tankers a night, no agitator after first tanker, seldom pushed the auto wash button, higher BScans, no leeway.
The clincher, when they showed us a chart, showing they paid the best yearly av price, bar one, Barbers, who were pleased to have us back.
Trouble so seem to follow you round mind. ?
 

dinderleat

Member
Location
Wells
Does an individual arla member have any more control over arla than a Tesco shareholder has over Tesco?
It keeps getting said that arla is their buisness, I suspect their members have little control over arla compared to their own farm.
Basically yes but you have to work together to have an impact and for change to happen.
 

dinderleat

Member
Location
Wells
So they say through paid farmer reps, BOR etc.
All the promo material over the tankers the adverts all make big of the farmer own part.

Or does the management make all the decisions?

the direction and finer detail has to be ratified by committees and working groups right across Arla. Wether the right decision is always made for every farm would probably be impossible but everything that is done if for the greater good.
Hardly paid farmer reps Sid, It’s probably less than Omsco reps get. It only covers your time and travel expenses.
 

dinderleat

Member
Location
Wells
by the time we had finished with talking, and going walking, we had decided it was run by managers, for the benefit of managers, there was some serious money, paid to the lower rank 'managers' - the ones that go face to face with farmers. What did surprise us, was the effort put in, to change our minds, they really did not want us to go. But, it was up to them, sort collections out, wash tank, or give us some slack. Up to 3 tankers a night, no agitator after first tanker, seldom pushed the auto wash button, higher BScans, no leeway.
The clincher, when they showed us a chart, showing they paid the best yearly av price, bar one, Barbers, who were pleased to have us back.
I thought you found the issue and wasn’t it your parlour? The member service team are there to help but if issues arise they have to be dealt with. Wether that’s a high cell count antibiotic failure or issues with farm assurance. They are also working tirelessly To help farmers with the new Arla garden review, climate checks and Arla garden plus.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Trouble so seem to follow you round mind. ?
feels like that, that one was definitely not our fault, pity though, thought joining a co-op that works, the right thing to do. Couldn't blame the tanker firm, they are screwed to the floor on price, logical move, running full tankers, we were the unlucky ones farming close to a main road !
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
I thought you found the issue and wasn’t it your parlour? The member service team are there to help but if issues arise they have to be dealt with. Wether that’s a high cell count antibiotic failure or issues with farm assurance. They are also working tirelessly To help farmers with the new Arla garden review, climate checks and Arla garden plus.
yes, afterwards, did think bscan and multiple pick ups, but it stayed under the 50 band, for a long time after, with odd peaks, only getting stupid last 2 years, 19 last pick-up, so am increasingly optimistic we have found the cause, bloody good job too, its soul destroying fighting it, with no obvious answer, we were told, it was the best thing to have a massive spike, easier to find, but only found it by chance - plant had been given a serious testing, showing all OK.
arla sent someone out, in the end, after some hefty moaning, she came to give us a lecture on 'teat preperation', she left with a very different point of view, and, as we found out later, had given us some facts, that were not true.
 
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Is being a member of Arla really any different to being a shareholder in a large company?
I could buy shares in Tesco but it wouldn’t make it my company
The difference is: "Arla’s mission is to secure the highest value for our farmers’ milk while creating opportunities for their growth."
Even if you own Tesco shares and supply them, their is no way they are aiming to pay the highest price possible to their suppliers.

I cannot say Arla always get it right, but when things do go wrong, the farmer representatives try to help sort issues out on behalf of fellow owners.

The farmers appoint the representatives who in turn appoint the directors who in turn appoint the top management who in turn appoint everyone else. The management suggest the strategy which the board investigate and question and the board of representatives then approve (or not). The majority of farmers almost certainly agree with every decision once they understand the reason behind it, but their is probably not a single farmer owner who agrees with every decision, which is the nature of a democracy.
 

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