Covid jab - is it compulsory?

[Jones wales]

@Jones wales Would that meet your criteria of tried and tested?

If it get approved and all the data is made public then yes .

 

[Jones wales]

https://www.facebook.com/228735667216/posts/10159201470162217

That’s a great combo of an organisation you can’t believe a word they say and the Blair , Christ he should be in The Hague by now . What weapons of mass distraction?? Killed thousands in the process of his lies .

 

[RushesToo]

If I’m right in saying it will reach is period of research by 2025 where it will get an approved stamp. Until then everyone is part of the research stage . It’s new technology they are using to make this vaccine.

I guess - but things move on, I hate the next car I will buy will almost certainly have a hand brake that isn't wire. I don't like this, but am going to have to live with it, and probably before 2025.

I don't think there is a "right" answer to when is it OK to to take the vax I do think it is important to know when you will be happy to, rather like wireless hand brake.

Myself I'm happier with the Vax that I know was developed to fight MERS that was 2012 and had killed 30% of people that caught it. Then they adjusted it for Covid which is far less severe 1 in 80 or similar - I thought it worth the gamble.

Less sure about wireless handbrakes as I don't understand those risks yet.

 

[Mouser]

I guess - but things move on, I hate the next car I will buy will almost certainly have a hand brake that isn't wire. I don't like this, but am going to have to live with it, and probably before 2025.

I don't think there is a "right" answer to when is it OK to to take the vax I do think it is important to know when you will be happy to, rather like wireless hand brake.

Myself I'm happier with the Vax that I know was developed to fight MERS that was 2012 and had killed 30% of people that caught it. Then they adjusted it for Covid which is far less severe 1 in 80 or similar - I thought it worth the gamble.

Less sure about wireless handbrakes as I don't understand those risks yet.

FACT CHECK: no mRNA vaccine was used for MERS.

Although there were no RNA vaccine studies for SARS-CoV or MERS-CoV in the past two decades, there have already been 6 novel RNA vaccines reaching clinical trials for SARS-CoV-2 since the outbreak of COVID-19 [130]

 

[tepapa]

What If, In 5 years there's a spike of cancer patients that's caused by the vaccine and it's many boosters.

I wonder if the remaining unvaccinated will be calling for the vaccinated to pay for their own treatment the way the vaccinated are now calling for the unvaccinated to pay for their health care.

The point being that footvax was tested on animals in trials before it came commercially available. The covid vaccines aren't fully tested and we honestly don't know if there are any long term side effects to this new style of vaccine, we can only hope that there aren't.

 

[Macsky]

Speaking to a relative tonight who’s friend works as a nurse, who was saying that folk coming in for unrelated issues that test positive for covid whilst there are being recorded as hospitalised due to covid. I have no reason to doubt them, so assuming it’s true, can anyone tell me why that would be the case?

 

[RushesToo]

FACT CHECK: no mRNA vaccine was used for MERS.

Although there were no RNA vaccine studies for SARS-CoV or MERS-CoV in the past two decades, there have already been 6 novel RNA vaccines reaching clinical trials for SARS-CoV-2 since the outbreak of COVID-19 [130]

mRNA vaccine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It was developed in that decade - and I claimed no more than that. A non provable fact is that rather like TB it could probably have been removed if you controled it in animals. The animals that you would have needed to cull for MERS were racing camels. It is called MERS for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome - and sufferes simnlar problems to TB - not culturally aceptable. Not just because there was money involved but because this was a game changer, mRNA research happened.

MERS was never stopped - and still hasn't been stopped by mRNA vaccines but it meant mRNA vaccines happened.

 

[RushesToo]

What If, In 5 years there's a spike of cancer patients that's caused by the vaccine and it's many boosters.

I wonder if the remaining unvaccinated will be calling for the vaccinated to pay for their own treatment the way the vaccinated are now calling for the unvaccinated to pay for their health care.

The point being that footvax was tested on animals in trials before it came commercially available. The covid vaccines aren't fully tested and we honestly don't know if there are any long term side effects to this new style of vaccine, we can only hope that there aren't.

What would you consider fully tested?
It is a really difficult and also really important question and we all have to start thinking about what that answer is, because getting it wrong in either direction really is expensive, tax, community, society and your family.

 

[Jones wales]

 

[primmiemoo]

If I’m right in saying it will reach is period of research by 2025 where it will get an approved stamp. Until then everyone is part of the research stage . It’s new technology they are using to make this vaccine.

Think you've been misled

How have COVID-19 vaccines been developed so fast? | British Society for Immunology

www.immunology.org

Results of Covid-19 vaccine trials have been published and peer-reviewed - Full Fact

The studies have a future completion date to allow long term follow up of participants. That doesn’t mean that the data we have so far is invalid.

fullfact.org

About COVID-19 vaccination, safety and side effects

Find out about COVID-19 vaccination, including the different types and the side effects and safety.

www.nhs.uk

 

[Mouser]

mRNA vaccine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It was developed in that decade - and I claimed no more than that. A non provable fact is that rather like TB it could probably have been removed if you controled it in animals. The animals that you would have needed to cull for MERS were racing camels. It is called MERS for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome - and sufferes simnlar problems to TB - not culturally aceptable. Not just because there was money involved but because this was a game changer, mRNA research happened.

MERS was never stopped - and still hasn't been stopped by mRNA vaccines but it meant mRNA vaccines happened.

Ok, you're another one that changes the meaning of what you clearly said to influence people when pulled on it.
The fact is its brand new and its causing a lot of people a lot of problems in year 1 and nobody knows about years 2-10. Why would someone with a 1 in 1000 chance of hospitalization and 1 in 100000 chance of death IF they catch the ever-weakening virus volunteer for such a trial is beyond me.

 

[Ukjay]

Glad you have the tin hat to hand. The statistics back up that the avoidable costs are to those unvaxxed.

Think in herd terms .
You have 1,000 head
900 are vaxxed against foot rot
100 not vaxed

Of the 900 vaxxed 90 get foot rot.
Of the 100 unvaxxed 80 get it.

There are more vaxxed infected than not.
What would you do if you owned this flock?

Edited for spelling.

I've seen that so many times it's quite tiresome to be honest, as that is not the full story as well you know. Its just another way to try and focus peoples minds on a certain elements of a statistics set to suit ones own objective, and potentially make themselves feel ok to overuse drugs / antibiotics etc. Infection does not always equate to severe impact or mortality.

There may also be personal variables that you may be doing differently from say your potential neighbour or natural conditions you may face vs him / her - therefore unlike you, he / she may choose not to simply jab their flock for all and sundry, and works to actively build a flock using selective breeding and culling for stronger selected genetics that are able to fight off diseases without too much human intervention, along with trying to better manage the land etc to help mitigate the land transmission rates over time, and only use medication as last resort to prevent over use of antibiotics etc from what I have read in the past - but no doubt this will be completely wrong as it doesnt meet certain ideologies, but hey - the information is out there of such practices.

Anyhow, back to Covid, the new variant is reported as a lot less likely to put you in hospital - and look at what we did, we are now even muddying the risk factor to scare people even further. It has been reported that you are 80% less likely to be hospitalised if you catch the new variant vs delta, but the media and morning tv are saying now 40% less likely - WHY?

So, what would I do - I would take on balance the risks associated from the information given - not simply jump into using drugs at the first opportunity or under duress from the mass hysteria. I would look to ensure I stay out of one of the high risk factors, one being a >30 bmi and try to eat a healthy diet with an active lifestyle to try and help myself fight off the virus - just like I do with the Flue / Colds etc.

Therefore, if you are fearful of this current situation lock yourself away from society and stop being party to creating an oppressive culture through fear for something that has far less mortality than cancers etc.

It's not OK that we are seeing people in need of serious medical support are having their cancer treatments / tests being cancelled or operations cancelled to cover this mass hysteria. It's not OK that persecuting others makes one feel all warm and fuzzy by jumping on the bandwagon and creating a society that is ostracising people who have made a personal decision to not fear the virus and not get jabbed - its their decision and should be respected, as with your vaccinations - you are supposedly significantly less risk of hospitalisation vs the unvaxed, so they accept the risks they put themselves in, your still able to pass onto them the virus - ergo your a safety cocern too..

Just my views, your views are obviously differing which is fine with me, but please dont put your fears and inabilities to accept people other than you have a right to decide if they wish to or not accept this medical intervention.

Have a great Christmas!

 

[40 series]

I read somewhere that the uk vaccines that had not yet been given were due to go out of date end of January. Strange there is now a big push to give out the boosters. Almost coincidental

 

[Kiwi Pete]

The COVID-19 Fraud & War On Humanity (Part 3)

Dr Mark Bailey and Dr John Bevan-Smith have just published a bombshell paper "The COVID-19 Fraud & War on Humanity".

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the alternative view... I apologise for your discomfort, in advance

 

[Dry Rot]

Corvid is a mental health disease. If you don't get jabbed, you've a better chance of getting it.

It's good to know that Natural Selection is at work amongst the human population because for a long time, there's been little or none. They say we are no more intelligent than our ancestors back in the stone age. Maybe that is about to change.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Corvid is a mental health disease. If you don't get jabbed, you've a better chance of getting it.

It's good to know that Natural Selection is at work amongst the human population because for a long time, there's been little or none. They say we are no more intelligent than our ancestors back in the stone age. Maybe that is about to change.

You said it

and I couldn't agree more

 

[warksfarmer]

Yep, 100% agree.

I'm just amazed everyone is still falling for this sh!t. Get 2 jabs and your life back, oh hang on, we haven't earned enough money back yet, you'll need x number of boosters, oh and have another lockdown just to be safe - don't ask questions we don't like to answer as it shows us up as liars, and let's spin it and all blame the unvaxed as it distracts your attention from the real issues...

I just don’t understand the idea of ‘them earning money back’?
By locking a country down they loose money, billions and billions and at the same time effectively ruin their political careers. Boris and co are finished. He’ll be gone within months and I can’t see the cons getting in at the next election either.

Just imagine if coronavirus never happened. Today Boris and the blues would still have a massive majority having delivered Brexit and the economy would be booming. That’s Boris utopia. Instead his prime minister stint is about to come to an end. If this is about the gov wanting to ‘earn money back then it’s a funny way of doing it.

 

[Ukjay]

I just don’t understand the idea of ‘them earning money back’?
By locking a country down they loose money, billions and billions and at the same time effectively ruin their political careers. Boris and co are finished. He’ll be gone within months and I can’t see the cons getting in at the next election either.

Just imagine if coronavirus never happened. Today Boris and the blues would still have a massive majority having delivered Brexit and the economy would be booming. That’s Boris utopia. Instead his prime minister stint is about to come to an end. If this is about the gov wanting to ‘earn money back then it’s a funny way of doing it.

But you're simply viewing this as a country economy vs the other probable recipient of financial rewards.. And when people earn millions over this, do they really care about the working class suffering..

Sadly, there is another side that's more benefitial for the incumbents and their cohorts personal wealth gains through such actions and it is a shame people cannot see the wood for the trees.

I must say, 'Don't look Up' was an interesting take on today's life... but many will miss the blatant similarities to how we have become.

 

[farmerm]

The COVID-19 Fraud & War On Humanity (Part 3)

Dr Mark Bailey and Dr John Bevan-Smith have just published a bombshell paper "The COVID-19 Fraud & War on Humanity".

odysee.com

the alternative view... I apologise for your discomfort, in advance

"invented by the WTO" and "phantom pandemic" "Dr" Sam does not have an alternative view, rather she lives in an alternative reality, one that generates her a tidy youtube income.

 

[smallholder99]

I just don’t understand the idea of ‘them earning money back’?
By locking a country down they loose money, billions and billions and at the same time effectively ruin their political careers. Boris and co are finished. He’ll be gone within months and I can’t see the cons getting in at the next election either.

Just imagine if coronavirus never happened. Today Boris and the blues would still have a massive majority having delivered Brexit and the economy would be booming. That’s Boris utopia. Instead his prime minister stint is about to come to an end. If this is about the gov wanting to ‘earn money back then it’s a funny way of doing it.

would pfizer be earning about $15/0.5ml or $30million per ibc volume of vaccine