Covid jab - is it compulsory?

[Mouser]

“The researchers found that while there were seven additional myocarditis events per million in the 28 days following COVID-19 infection (95% Confidence Interval (CI): 2, 11), there were 14 following an AstraZeneca second dose (CI: 8,17), 12 following a Pfizer second dose (CI: 1,7), 101 following a Moderna second dose (CI: 95,104), and 13 following a Pfizer third dose (CI: 7,15). These findings are depicted above. Most of these figures represent a doubling of the risk compared with infection. However, the Moderna second dose figure is a massive 14.4 times greater. The Moderna vaccine uses a similar mRNA technology to the Pfizer vaccine, but delivers a dose three times as large, which may partly explain the difference.”

Major Oxford Study into Vaccine Side-Effects Finds Myocarditis Risk in Younger Males Up to 14 Times Higher After Vaccination Than After Infection – The Daily Sceptic

A major study from the University of Oxford into risks of myocarditis following Covid vaccination has found the risk in males under 40 to be significantly higher than the risk of the condition following Covid infection.

dailysceptic.org

Interesting that googling that 'oxford myocarditis study' only brings up links to the studies that say infection is worse than vaccination.

 

[farmerm]

Neither - you came up with both of those possible options as "realities" based on what you think people must think, which is probably what the BBC or someone gave you.

what we actually know is that we don't know what we don't know, but we don't really have to think about that - because we have plenty of propaganda from "both sides"

we do know that it's perhaps just another coronvirus, albeit with different origins to the usual influenzas and colds

we don't know about "the millions of deaths" although media is keen to tell us that story...

What we do know today that we didn't, is that the PCR "covid test" is absolutely unfit for the purpose of diagnosing SARS-CoV 2, and that that's been used for the past years for exactly that purpose, despite that being known since the very beginning of the hysteria campaign.

This one bit of information changes your "reality" faster than seeing your mother wrapping your Christmas presents "From Santa", and if it doesn't, it's time to question why it doesn't.

I think the main "pandemic" is that humans are being discouraged from choosing (selecting freely after consideration) and encouraged to decide (select based on consideration) which kills off other possibilities. This is why it is so damnably difficult to get "a vegan" to see other possibilities about meat - they killed it

Well, that's what school taught us to be like, but this is weapons-grade schooling, in the middle of a psycological war.

See, we do believe in different realities, in your reality PCR is unfit for diagnosing SARS Cov 2 and millions have not died due to this respiratory virus, in the reality I which I believe the opposite is true. No grey here, it’s black and white, one of us is very very wrong. Show me the mother Christmas wrapping event, show me the evidence that PCR is unfit. Explain to me why 1000’s of government health advisors around the globe advocate for use of PCR for diagnosis. Explain why I know many people who have had a very nasty respiratory virus in the past 2 years and have a PCR tested positive whilst those with a mild cold have been negative. Either my perception of the world is entirely built on lies or yours is built entirely on paranoia.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I tend to see most things as "possibilities" @farmerm

neither of the realities you give are actually reality, you do get that, right?

 

[farmerm]

I tend to see most things as "possibilities" @farmerm

neither of the realities you give are actually reality, you do get that, right?

Either PCR is a valid test and many people really have died because of a SARS Cov 19 infection or this is not the case, one is reality, one is fiction

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Either PCR is a valid test and many people really have died because of a SARS Cov 19 infection or this is not the case, one is reality, one is fiction

I love the way your mind works, a proper example of how indoctrination allows only one "right" answer and the others are so clearly wrong.
What if both of your opinion-options are a bit correct but mostly wrong?
Do you still blame others (me), or can you start to see that you have a "mindset" about the two opposites, and how you fit in with your perceived "reality" hinges on that?

What if I don't fit in with your already-always on "antivaxxers", by being vaccinated? How can you make me accept your virtual reality as one of two binary options, when I don't?

And, final question for you, why did this happen?

my understanding is that the PCR test should be performed using a maximum of 20-24 cycles of amplification, whereas the advice given on how to test for the Wuhan Special was to use 45 cycles, thus rendering the test pretty useless by providing what some claim to be "97% false positives" but that's not my level of expertise. I'm just here to see what people think about the stories they're told

 

[D14]

Until last week, anyone who had had a positive PCR test automatically got a 6 month covid pass on the NHS app, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated.

The government revoked that as part of the legislation voted through last week. The only way to get the passport now is through being double, and soon triple vaccinated.

Why would it do that? What does it matter whether someone has natural immunity or vaccinated immunity?

Seriously questioning the vaccinations now because I now know a number of people (family included) who've had the 3 jabs and now caught CV 2 and 3 times over. Then I also know people who have not had any jabs and again some have caught it and some haven't. The most startling example is a 92 year old who's refused all vaccinations and has a very low immune system due to an ongoing illness. She caught it, tested positive via pcr and basally had a cold, did her 10 days isolation and is now back out again doing what she normally did with life.

 

[D14]

Neither - you came up with both of those possible options as "realities" based on what you think people must think, which is probably what the BBC or someone gave you.

what we actually know is that we don't know what we don't know, but we don't really have to think about that - because we have plenty of propaganda from "both sides"

we do know that it's perhaps just another coronvirus, albeit with different origins to the usual influenzas and colds

we don't know about "the millions of deaths" although media is keen to tell us that story...

What we do know today that we didn't, is that the PCR "covid test" is absolutely unfit for the purpose of diagnosing SARS-CoV 2, and that that's been used for the past years for exactly that purpose, despite that being known since the very beginning of the hysteria campaign.

This one bit of information changes your "reality" faster than seeing your mother wrapping your Christmas presents "From Santa", and if it doesn't, it's time to question why it doesn't.

I think the main "pandemic" is that humans are being discouraged from choosing (selecting freely after consideration) and encouraged to decide (select based on consideration) which kills off other possibilities. This is why it is so damnably difficult to get "a vegan" to see other possibilities about meat - they killed it

Well, that's what school taught us to be like, but this is weapons-grade schooling, in the middle of a psycological war.

I am very sceptical about the whole CV thing the longer it continues but having had it twice myself and knowing many people now who've had it then I don't agree the PCR is unfit for purpose. The second time I had CV I was poorly. It was clear I had caught something and just over 2 years ago it would of been called mild flu because I was shivering, sweating, achey, headachy etc etc. All the normal flu like symptoms. The PCR confirmed that. I do not know of a case where somebody I know has had symptoms and the PCR has come back negative. However I know of plenty of examples where people had had PCR tests (me included) with no symptoms that its come back positive. The PCR test is without doubt picking up illness. Whether its CV or Flu I have no idea though.

Also the main symptom of loss of taste and smell is correct, albeit this only happened to me for a couple of days, it did happen. Thats not a normal flu or common cold symptom.

 

[Still Farming]

Seriously questioning the vaccinations now because I now know a number of people (family included) who've had the 3 jabs and now caught CV 2 and 3 times over. Then I also know people who have not had any jabs and again some have caught it and some haven't. The most startling example is a 92 year old who's refused all vaccinations and has a very low immune system due to an ongoing illness. She caught it, tested positive via pcr and basally had a cold, did her 10 days isolation and is now back out again doing what she normally did with life.

How are they catching it then?
In crowds ,no masks or what?
Strange?

 

[Dave6170]

The man who invented the pcr test said it was never for detecting covid. You can amplify it to find almost anything in anybody.
I know more people who have got covid since being jabbed.

 

[farmerm]

The man who invented the pcr test said it was never for detecting covid. You can amplify it to find almost anything in anybody.
I know more people who have got covid since being jabbed.

That is rather unlikely given that the man who invented PCR died before Sars Cov 19 came into existence! Sildenafil was never intended for the purpose that it is now most widely used for. Just because an invention or discovery has been repurposed for a use not originally foreseen by its inventor or discoverer does not in itself rule it out as being unfit for such a repurpose.

 

[Dave6170]

Died just before....... a matter of weeks with pneumonia

 

[Jones wales]

Have you all seen what’s happening in Canada with the freedom convoy travelling across Canada and have converged in Ottawa to get rid of this mandates that are pushed upon them . For a liberal country , there’s been some draconian things happening under Trudeau .
the eyes of the world are now on Canada and I wish them every luck and support.

 

[s line]

@arf

 

[ollie989898]

Seriously questioning the vaccinations now because I now know a number of people (family included) who've had the 3 jabs and now caught CV 2 and 3 times over. Then I also know people who have not had any jabs and again some have caught it and some haven't. The most startling example is a 92 year old who's refused all vaccinations and has a very low immune system due to an ongoing illness. She caught it, tested positive via pcr and basally had a cold, did her 10 days isolation and is now back out again doing what she normally did with life.

Since when have you believed that any vaccine could stop you being infected with any particular infectious agent? Vaccines cannot stop you from catching anything. They don't work that way. A vaccine can't physically stop you from inhaling, contacting or ingesting a virus or bacterium, etc. It isn't possible.

The vast majority of people who contract covid and are confirmed with it, experience not a lot more than a cold/flu type symptoms and get on with life within days.

The PCR test, whilst we are on the subject, is an incredibly sensitive test and from what I have read seems to be able to pick up tiny amounts of virus, even in people who have a very low viral load, recovering/un-infectious or totally asymptomatic.

 

[primmiemoo]

The man who invented the pcr test said it was never for detecting covid. You can amplify it to find almost anything in anybody.
I know more people who have got covid since being jabbed.

Probably you heard a rumour arising from the misinformation called out in this article in 2020 ~

Fact check: Inventor of method used to test for COVID-19 didn’t say...

Correction Nov. 13, 2020

www.reuters.com

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Have you all seen what’s happening in Canada with the freedom convoy travelling across Canada and have converged in Ottawa to get rid of this mandates that are pushed upon them . For a liberal country , there’s been some draconian things happening under Trudeau .
the eyes of the world are now on Canada and I wish them every luck and support.

You will love the footage of NZ Police burning tents as a means of clearing out the NZ "convoy"

apparently it was irresolvable

all that the PM needed to do was step outside, but she dared not to

 

[SilliamWhale]

Either PCR is a valid test and many people really have died because of a SARS Cov 19 infection or this is not the case, one is reality, one is fiction

People have died with a positive covid test is different to people who have died because of a covid infection

 

[flowerpot]

I have heard from two different sources that there has been an increase in stillbirths in women who caught Covid who were not vaccinated.

It was a very difficult decision to make, because a gut reaction would be to say "I'm expecting a baby, I do not want to have an injection of a vaccine that is quite new, or if I am breastfeeding a baby."

 

[ollie989898]

I have heard from two different sources that there has been an increase in stillbirths in women who caught Covid who were not vaccinated.

It was a very difficult decision to make, because a gut reaction would be to say "I'm expecting a baby, I do not want to have an injection of a vaccine that is quite new, or if I am breastfeeding a baby."

The long and short of covid vaccines in pregnant or breast-feeding mums is that nobody knows and won't know until some serious animal studies have been done. That kind of research takes a long time to complete.

Risk for Stillbirth Among Women ...

This report describes how women with COVID-19 were at higher risk ...

www.cdc.gov

...
Although stillbirth was a rare outcome overall, a COVID-19 diagnosis documented during the delivery hospitalization was associated with an increased risk for stillbirth in the United States, with a stronger association during the period of Delta variant predominance. A previous study of pregnancies complicated by SARS-CoV-2 infection identified placental histopathologic abnormalities, suggesting that placental hypoperfusion and inflammation might occur with maternal COVID-19 infection (5); these findings might, in part, explain the association between COVID-19 and stillbirth. Among deliveries with COVID-19 documented during the delivery hospitalization, certain underlying medical conditions and markers of maternal morbidity, including the need for intensive care, were associated with stillbirth. Additional studies are warranted to investigate the role of maternal complications from COVID-19 on the risk for stillbirth. Further, given the differences observed before and during the period of Delta variant predominance, comparisons of placental findings might improve understanding of biologic reasons for the observed differences.

The rates of stillbirth in women without COVID-19 at delivery in this analysis (0.64% overall) were similar to the known prepandemic stillbirth rate of 0.59% (6). However, 0.98% of COVID-19–affected deliveries pre-Delta and 2.70% during the Delta period resulted in stillbirth. Data on the association between COVID-19 in pregnancy and stillbirth are emerging. Two metaanalyses found an association between COVID-19 during pregnancy and stillbirth but were unable to adjust for potential confounders (2,4). In a previous analysis of the PHD-SR data, comparing women with and without COVID-19 documented at the delivery hospitalization during March–September 2020, the risk for stillbirth was not significantly increased after adjusting for confounders (3). The current analysis includes an additional year of data, adding to the growing evidence that COVID-19 is associated with an increased risk for stillbirth...

This is not great evidence- the remainder of the article discusses many limitations. There is no explanation given as I presume the research is still on-going. The good news that any increase in incidence was seemingly small.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

You don't need animal studies anymore

the press put paid to that need, by ensuring much of the global populace jumped at the chance of being a test subject