Covid jab - is it compulsory?

[Northernlights]

I think you are making quite a leap here. A mask for a virus vs a mask for breathing in dust are different things. Dust particles are way larger than virus particles

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Multiple layers some with electrostatic properties attract and trap virus particles along with aerosols holding virus particles.

 

[SilliamWhale]

FFP3 masks: study shows they significantly reduce the risk of COVID-19 infection | News | Royal College of Nursing

Research adds weight to RCN calls for increased levels of protection for health care workers.

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Multiple layers some with electrostatic properties attract and trap virus particles along with aerosols holding virus particles.

No one is going to spend their lives in those. Or if you want to where one but others shouldn't be compelled especially with such flimsy evidence of practical benefit

 

[primmiemoo]

Masks are of a cumulative benefit as has been gone through time and again since the start of the pandemic. I don't like wearing one, but it's not like being shot at, so there's never been a reason for anxiety about wearing one. I know people who have asthma who have no problems with wearing a mask. Only one person with a heart problem was agreed with by their GP that they were exempt ~ so wore a visor.

It strikes as strange that those who haven't worn a mask yet go onandonandon about fearmongering by the powers that be, disregard very real concerns from the vulnerable who have been made worried by inconsiderate individuals who decide not to wear a mask.

 

[Lazy Sod]

I had my fifth covid vaccination on Thursday. Previously, I had had 2 Astra Zenica and 2 Phizer jabs. It was the new improved Moderna this time. Whilst all the previous jabs just made me very tired for up to 2 days, This one made me very wobbly and generally quite spaced out. This all came on after about an hour of the jab. The good thing was that I felt fine after about 3 hours or so.

 

[Gordy1]

Got mine & the missus next month, daughter in law had hers on Sunday & felt terrible for two days, this jab was improved to cover the Omicrom virus so that could be why, was also told we could have the flu jab at the same time but don’t want it, last year had it both together & o felt terrible for 24hrs..so willl be having it a couple of weeks after!!!

 

[Daniel]

Goodness, why on earth would anyone without a severe existing condition still be having the jabs at this stage?!

 

[Bedfo]

I agree , I myself and 35 members of my family oldest 76 never had any jabs whatsoever nobody’s had Covid yet

 

[valtraman]

Same here no jags in this household . We are bit sceptical to say the least . Long story short we have had covid/flu/bad cold and surprisingly we have all pulled through !! Me and wife both from big families not lost a soul to the “covid” bit can name a fair few family/ friends who have suffered horrendous from vaccine reactions and will suffer on for rest of there lives !! Madness to take these jags

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Goodness, why on earth would anyone without a severe existing condition still be having the jabs at this stage?!

It's belief.

Like Santa, tooth fairy, religion, nothing wrong with believing in things.... right up to the point you expect others to believe what you believe in.

Most modern 'dilemmas' are presented to you in such a way that you obliged to believe the whole story as a "set of facts" when it's just a story. There's enough plausibility that remarkably intelligent people are totally conned

 

[SilliamWhale]

Goodness, why on earth would anyone without a severe existing condition still be having the jabs at this stage?!

Mass formation psychosis.

 

[Daniel]

Mass formation psychosis.

We had already had covid when the vaccines were rolled out to our age group and the NHS had sent us 2 anti body tests each to monitor how long immunity lasted. We had good antibodies weeks after recovering from it.

So we decided not to take the jabs and good grief, mother in law wouldn’t have reacted worse if I’d been Himmler. She was sending lengthy texts to my wife about how important it was for us to protect others, begged her not to ‘read social media’ and urged us to ‘watch bbc news each night to get a true picture of the seriousness of the situation’. Other friends of our own age group were quite convinced we were totally reckless with our own health and probably actively endangering other peoples.

Even now I don’t think most of them would admit that the jabs didn’t make much difference to their own risk of harm from covid.

Sister in law got the jabs but wasn’t particularly militant and took great joy in relaying to me that her mother blamed me entirely for both me and the wife not being jabbed!

Having decided that on balance the vaccines weren’t worth it for us, the constant barrage of unhinged criticism only made me more determined not to, a decision I’ve not regretted as the scale of the harms from lockdown, vaccine injuries etc becomes clearer.

 

[Mouser]

We had already had covid when the vaccines were rolled out to our age group and the NHS had sent us 2 anti body tests each to monitor how long immunity lasted. We had good antibodies weeks after recovering from it.

So we decided not to take the jabs and good grief, mother in law wouldn’t have reacted worse if I’d been Himmler. She was sending lengthy texts to my wife about how important it was for us to protect others, begged her not to ‘read social media’ and urged us to ‘watch bbc news each night to get a true picture of the seriousness of the situation’. Other friends of our own age group were quite convinced we were totally reckless with our own health and probably actively endangering other peoples.

Even now I don’t think most of them would admit that the jabs didn’t make much difference to their own risk of harm from covid.

Sister in law got the jabs but wasn’t particularly militant and took great joy in relaying to me that her mother blamed me entirely for both me and the wife not being jabbed!

Having decided that on balance the vaccines weren’t worth it for us, the constant barrage of unhinged criticism only made me more determined not to, a decision I’ve not regretted as the scale of the harms from lockdown, vaccine injuries etc becomes clearer.

Sounds reasonable to me. Some only just beginning to accept that my vaccine status won't affect their health. Some haven't even got that far!

 

[SilliamWhale]

We had already had covid when the vaccines were rolled out to our age group and the NHS had sent us 2 anti body tests each to monitor how long immunity lasted. We had good antibodies weeks after recovering from it.

So we decided not to take the jabs and good grief, mother in law wouldn’t have reacted worse if I’d been Himmler. She was sending lengthy texts to my wife about how important it was for us to protect others, begged her not to ‘read social media’ and urged us to ‘watch bbc news each night to get a true picture of the seriousness of the situation’. Other friends of our own age group were quite convinced we were totally reckless with our own health and probably actively endangering other peoples.

Even now I don’t think most of them would admit that the jabs didn’t make much difference to their own risk of harm from covid.

Sister in law got the jabs but wasn’t particularly militant and took great joy in relaying to me that her mother blamed me entirely for both me and the wife not being jabbed!

Having decided that on balance the vaccines weren’t worth it for us, the constant barrage of unhinged criticism only made me more determined not to, a decision I’ve not regretted as the scale of the harms from lockdown, vaccine injuries etc becomes clearer.

Its a funny one.

I don't think statistically the vaccines are that bad by the looks of things but neither are they that good. Notice no one is allowed the astrazeneca anoymore so goodness knows what they've buried about that.

I've had two jabs one not to offend my family at xmas who all drank the kool aid and the second very reluctantly to go to Spain. I won't have anymore, I just don't need them, I've had covid twice - first time was pretty crap for 4 days, second was just a v v heavy cold and felt crap. But it is what it is.

I'm not completely ready to go full conspiracy/ great reset but its definitely an example in how to control a population through fear and people wanting to "belong" whatever the cause. And I will never pay the BBC licence fee again - fair enough not everyone gets it all right but the total lack of counter position or argument at all was deplorable.

 

[melted welly]

We didn’t take the vaccine as a household, my wife is a lot cleverer than I and was dead against it.

I could’ve gone either way as have sheepish tendencies and prefer the path of least resistance but decided not to as I live a relatively solitary work life and never go anywhere crowded anyway. plus I couldn’t square in my mind how a pesticide to apply to plants takes 15years to register, yet something injected directly into your body was deemed safe within months.

I know that is perhaps an overly simplistic view, however we live in a free country and I have the right to decide. I wore a mask where asked and tested weekly for over a year or if I felt unwell.

Now, for 18months or so in the height of it, every time I turned on national radio it was a constant pressure that unvaccinated were “unclean”, “irresponsible”, “selfish”, “vaccine refusers”. I didn’t refuse it, I declined it, I was offered it, considered my situation and decided I didn’t want to take it at this time, and in hindsight I’m glad I did what I did. It felt like being a teenager again at a party where all the cool kids are drinking or smoking and you don’t really want to but the peer pressure is so great…..

Without exception, those family and friends who have caught covid are double/triple jabbed, we’ve still avoided it. I’m certain that I will catch it at some point but it is what is, from what I understand these current variants are nothing compared to what was on the go in 2020 so I’ll take my chances.

A small number of vaccinated family and friends have also suffered TIAs to greater or lesser extents in the past year. All within a fortnight of 2nd jab. Leading cause of excess deaths in UK is “unexplained”. I don’t think all the facts are on the table and between this and “climate emergency” I have developed a distrust of our media and press, and withdrawn from listening to the mainstream gobshites and paying bbc licence fee and feel better for it.

Hindsight will tell if we took the correct path, however at this point in time I feel we have.

 

[SilliamWhale]

The vaccine and technology has been there for a while.

Its no co-incidence they all arrived at the same time.

The day after the hottest day of the year the BBC had a big panorama docco lined up. Ironically it was a bit cooler the day after.

 

[Gong Farmer]

A lot of the push for vaccination now is coming from the dip in share price at the big Pharmas. I think the pandemic petered out faster than they had budgeted for.

 

[melted welly]

A lot of the push for vaccination now is coming from the dip in share price at the big Pharmas. I think the pandemic petered out faster than they had budgeted for.

There’s an ad on classic fm for pharmaceutical products, never heard pharma ads before.

 

[Daniel]

Its a funny one.

I don't think statistically the vaccines are that bad by the looks of things but neither are they that good. Notice no one is allowed the astrazeneca anoymore so goodness knows what they've buried about that.

I've had two jabs one not to offend my family at xmas who all drank the kool aid and the second very reluctantly to go to Spain. I won't have anymore, I just don't need them, I've had covid twice - first time was pretty crap for 4 days, second was just a v v heavy cold and felt crap. But it is what it is.

I'm not completely ready to go full conspiracy/ great reset but its definitely an example in how to control a population through fear and people wanting to "belong" whatever the cause. And I will never pay the BBC licence fee again - fair enough not everyone gets it all right but the total lack of counter position or argument at all was deplorable.

I just couldn’t fathom the depth of feeling when the NHS themselves were sending us these tests for their research and telling us how well our antibodies were holding up, vs the endless hostility to doing what I thought was the logical thing!

 

[bobk]

I had my fifth covid vaccination on Thursday. Previously, I had had 2 Astra Zenica and 2 Phizer jabs. It was the new improved Moderna this time. Whilst all the previous jabs just made me very tired for up to 2 days, This one made me very wobbly and generally quite spaced out. This all came on after about an hour of the jab. The good thing was that I felt fine after about 3 hours or so.

My youngwst had 2 moderna , similar reaction to you but worse

 

[Pistonbroke]

Some very bad cases of flu popping up now,far worse than COVID especially for youngsters. Neighbour's five yr old is in hospital in an antibiotic drip