Covid jab

[Dry Rot]

Just popped in on this thread. Just wondering, with Brazil having >4,000 deaths a day, when is herd immunity going to kick in?

Oh, another thing. Apparently, this virus is one that mutates. What happens when we get herd immunity and some virus still around mutates into something more deadly and more contagious? Oops! What am I saying? It's doing that already! See above.

Viruses are around all the time and our immune systems mostly cope. But it takes time. It makes sense to short circuit the system and do a quick start before we get more bad mutations. Apparently, they are popping up at the rate of one a week. I had the first jab and was advised to sit in the car for 15 minutes in case there was a reaction. After the second jab,I drove straight home. No point in waiting as I felt fine. Anyone play the lottery? I tried that once, it didn't work so I haven't bothered again.

 

[valtraman]

Most who share your delusional views find their poison on social media....

Not really no! Pre Prince Philip dying the bbc went on about the virus for 24hrs a day . People who are at home sitting listening to that all day are scared sh!t less and some will barely leave the house now . Constant scaremongering hour after hour of it.

 

[quattro]

So anyone who is against the vaccine, if they had a accident and laying at the side of the road in agony and dying would they give a monkeys to what the paramedics were injecting/ treating them with
you either put your trust in nhs or don’t

 

[farmerm]

So anyone who is against the vaccine, if they had a accident and laying at the side of the road in agony and dying would they give a monkeys to what the paramedics were injecting/ treating them with
you either put your trust in nhs or don’t

Some people make very odd decisions when it comes to trust! I do have to roll my eyes when I see the folk at protests carrying their anti-vax sign in one hand whilst smoking a doobie supplied by some random stranger in the other. I mean, who has your best interests at heart, the NHS or drug dealer Dave

 

[primmiemoo]

For once, the Beeb are broadcasting consistently accurate info about to help reassure people about the covid vaccines, and the gradual relaxing of rules.
On BBC 1 weekdays, there's a programme called Morning Live which has genuine doctors, scientists, and health professionals who talk about the concerns viewers have about all aspects of the pandemic. It's very clear and accessible.

If TFFers find that people they know are worried about getting out and about, it's a programme to recommend.

Every evening, the local BBC programme has a segment answering viewer's questions, and showing the local stats, so at a guess, the other regional programmes are showing similar.

 

[Courier]

Some people make very odd decisions when it comes to trust! I do have to roll my eyes when I see the folk at protests carrying their anti-vax sign in one hand whilst smoking a doobie supplied by some random stranger in the other. I mean, who has your best interests at heart, the NHS or drug dealer Dave

 

[Courier]

Just had my John Prescott day - Two Jabs.

Both AZ nothing yet noticeable in the way of a reaction but I have resumed a 75% daily asprin dose which I usually take from a couple of weeks before a flight [emoji848][emoji6]

 

[quattro]

Some people make very odd decisions when it comes to trust! I do have to roll my eyes when I see the folk at protests carrying their anti-vax sign in one hand whilst smoking a doobie supplied by some random stranger in the other. I mean, who has your best interests at heart, the NHS or drug dealer Dave

How did you know I’m called Dave!!!!!

 

[Drillman]

Not had the call yet (I’m late 40s) not worried as I’ve no underlying health issues that I’m aware of and don’t like crowds.

quite happy to wait my turn and let those that need it more than me get the protection they need.

 

[bobk]

Not had the call yet (I’m late 40s) not worried as I’ve no underlying health issues that I’m aware of and don’t like crowds.

quite happy to wait my turn and let those that need it more than me get the protection they need.

Book yourself in , over 45 now getting done , they won't inform you unless you're vulnerable

About COVID-19 vaccination

Find out about COVID-19 vaccination, including who can get a vaccine, the different types and how well it works.

www.nhs.uk

 

[Drillman]

Book yourself in , over 45 now getting done , they won't inform you unless you're vulnerable

About COVID-19 vaccination

Find out about COVID-19 vaccination, including who can get a vaccine, the different types and how well it works.

www.nhs.uk

I will do next week. Wife is getting hers done tomorrow and we decided to space them out a bit as can’t do with both of us laid up with after effects and cattle to see to.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Over 18 yr olds getting done here now by registering on the reserve lists,over 40 by letter

 

[Daniel]

Do you really believe this?

I'm quite certain that the total death figures are grossly inflated.

The two people I know of who have died with covid were 93 with dementia and heart failure, and 95 with dementia and cancer.

In both cases their care homes were tested en masse and they returned positive test results. Both times the doctors said they were asymptomatic, that it was causing no problems and that their natural end was approaching. They both died 2-3 weeks after their positive results and both had covid as the top cause of death on their death certificates, with heart failure and cancer as secondary causes.

That is simply manipulation of the figures, and if you can't or don't measure something accurately you can't respond appropriately.

No end of people I've spoken to have reported similar stories. I think it will turn out to be a national scandal.

 

[Pistonbroke]

I'm quite certain that the total death figures are grossly inflated.

The two people I know of who have died with covid were 93 with dementia and heart failure, and 95 with dementia and cancer.

In both cases their care homes were tested en masse and they returned positive test results. Both times the doctors said they were asymptomatic, that it was causing no problems and that their natural end was approaching. They both died 2-3 weeks after their positive results and both had covid as the top cause of death on their death certificates, with heart failure and cancer as secondary causes.

That is simply manipulation of the figures, and if you can't or don't measure something accurately you can't respond appropriately.

No end of people I've spoken to have reported similar stories. I think it will turn out to be a national scandal.

A doctor near me was saying about a bloke in australia that got his leg bitten by a shark while swimming and died on his way to hospital. Tests showed he had covid so he was added to the total. Think maybe the shark had a bit to do with it

 

[honeyend]

I'm quite certain that the total death figures are grossly inflated.

The two people I know of who have died with covid were 93 with dementia and heart failure, and 95 with dementia and cancer.

In both cases their care homes were tested en masse and they returned positive test results. Both times the doctors said they were asymptomatic, that it was causing no problems and that their natural end was approaching. They both died 2-3 weeks after their positive results and both had covid as the top cause of death on their death certificates, with heart failure and cancer as secondary causes.

That is simply manipulation of the figures, and if you can't or don't measure something accurately you can't respond appropriately.

No end of people I've spoken to have reported similar stories. I think it will turn out to be a national scandal.

Do you really believe this? Yep, as you get older you tend to get more things wrong with you, and you have to die from something, but what about all the people who were not so old, out working who caught covid, either ended up seriously ill perhaps died, or if they didn't die now have long term health conditions, that they didn't have before.
Then there is the long covid,
'Over the four-week period ending 6 March 2021, an estimated 1.1 million people in private households in the UK reported experiencing long COVID (symptoms persisting more than four weeks after the first suspected coronavirus (COVID-19) episode that are not explained by something else). ' ONS, which for some people it is stopping them from working.
'Of study participants who tested positive for COVID-19, symptom prevalence at 12 weeks post-infection was higher for female participants (14.7%) than male participants (12.7%) and was highest among those aged 25 to 34 years (18.2%). '

Then there is the hell that is Brazil, with reports of huge amounts of deaths, including children, and so many ventilated patients they are running out of drugs to sedate them.

Brazil's hospitals running out of sedatives as COVID-19 rages

Brazil's hospitals were running out of drugs needed to sedate COVID-19 patients on Thursday, with the government urgently seeking to import supplies amid reports of the seriously ill being tied down and intubated without effective sedatives.

www.reuters.com

 

[Daniel]

Do you really believe this? Yep, as you get older you tend to get more things wrong with you, and you have to die from something, but what about all the people who were not so old, out working who caught covid, either ended up seriously ill perhaps died, or if they didn't die now have long term health conditions, that they didn't have before.
Then there is the long covid,
'Over the four-week period ending 6 March 2021, an estimated 1.1 million people in private households in the UK reported experiencing long COVID (symptoms persisting more than four weeks after the first suspected coronavirus (COVID-19) episode that are not explained by something else). ' ONS, which for some people it is stopping them from working.
'Of study participants who tested positive for COVID-19, symptom prevalence at 12 weeks post-infection was higher for female participants (14.7%) than male participants (12.7%) and was highest among those aged 25 to 34 years (18.2%). '

Then there is the hell that is Brazil, with reports of huge amounts of deaths, including children, and so many ventilated patients they are running out of drugs to sedate them.

Brazil's hospitals running out of sedatives as COVID-19 rages

Brazil's hospitals were running out of drugs needed to sedate COVID-19 patients on Thursday, with the government urgently seeking to import supplies amid reports of the seriously ill being tied down and intubated without effective sedatives.

www.reuters.com

The ONS figures show that the overwhelming majority of covid deaths were very old people though. You hear about the younger victims in the media more because they are rarer and more upsetting.

Re. Long covid, sometimes when you get ill it takes you a long while to get over it, we aren't promised a life free of illness, and the state shouldn't pretend it can deliver it.

The ONS' use of the word 'symptom prevalance' could cover anything from being bedridden to feeling slightly more tired in the evenings.

I haven't followed the Brazil story, I suspect, given the divisiveness of Bolsonaro that finding a western media outlet prepared to present the facts as best they can be established, calmly and in context, might be a challenge!

 

[valtraman]

So anyone who is against the vaccine, if they had a accident and laying at the side of the road in agony and dying would they give a monkeys to what the paramedics were injecting/ treating them with
you either put your trust in nhs or don’t

Yeah of course in that emergency situation anything goes almost but to make fit and healthy people go take an untested vaccine for something to most of us is nothing more sinister than the common cold is wrong . We are wasting so much money on vaccines etc plus all these backlogs of operations to do on people plus cancer care etc etc. More are dying from untreated things now.

 

[valtraman]

I'm quite certain that the total death figures are grossly inflated.

The two people I know of who have died with covid were 93 with dementia and heart failure, and 95 with dementia and cancer.

In both cases their care homes were tested en masse and they returned positive test results. Both times the doctors said they were asymptomatic, that it was causing no problems and that their natural end was approaching. They both died 2-3 weeks after their positive results and both had covid as the top cause of death on their death certificates, with heart failure and cancer as secondary causes.

That is simply manipulation of the figures, and if you can't or don't measure something accurately you can't respond appropriately.

No end of people I've spoken to have reported similar stories. I think it will turn out to be a national scandal.

Yep totally I’ve heard countless stories of COVID on death certificates and it wasn’t . Like u say a lot of folk at end of life illness gets chapped down as COVID ! Why? Why do that ? Absolutely crazy !! Family’s of dead people are enraged over it . It is a complete national scandal the whole thing.

 

[honeyend]

When you meet people who have had covid, and I have met a lot, most will say they would never wish it on anyone, my daughter has had it, and although she is back at work she still has symptoms. I worry that they are just the symptoms we see, if are not admitted to hospital you are not going to get liver, renal ,lung function tests, so you are not going to know or have any treatment.
My father and grandfathers all died from heart and lung disease in their sixties, from smoking or industrial work, the cause of their deaths perhaps happens over a period of thirty years before they died, they didn't die from smoking but it sure as hell made the last ten years of my fathers life hell. I come from a working class back round when in the seventies men were old when they were sixty and dead often by sixty five, now, they suffered chronic ill health, now we have a multi system inflammatory disease that at the moment there is no quick screen for any damage caused
The US nearly went down the road of Brazil, but there was more money invested in health care, they had mass graves, and if anything covid was underreported, because if you have no healthcare you just die at home with no test or treatment.

Yeah of course in that emergency situation anything goes almost but to make fit and healthy people go take an untested vaccine for something to most of us is nothing more sinister than the common cold is wrong . We are wasting so much money on vaccines etc plus all these backlogs of operations to do on people plus cancer care etc etc. More are dying from untreated things now.

A) its not untested.
B) its not a common cold, its a virus that causes a systemic inflammatory disease, its effects are not fully understood, but it triggers your bodies immune response so it causes it to over compensate, and that causes the damage.
C) If you did not try and prevent it the health system would still be overwhelmed, the sick would still need to be treated and healthcare workers are the most likely to be infected, so you would end up with no one to treat your cancer patients etc. Fortunately now most NHS workers are vaccinated, so it seems if you become sick you are going to be cared for by people who have a different opinion from yours.

You seem to have the idea that if we did not try and prevent covid there would be more free beds for other treatment. One thing we do know about covid patients if they need hospital treatment however young they are, they need intensive support for longer than average stay for most operations. Someone having a knee replacement is often only in a hospital bed three days, and then they are discharged, if that same bed occupancy is used by a covid patient of the same age, they will need oxygen, drugs and clinical support for at least double that time, it can be weeks, with all the infection control processes making it more labour-intensive.

 

[Gong Farmer]

So anyone who is against the vaccine, if they had a accident and laying at the side of the road in agony and dying would they give a monkeys to what the paramedics were injecting/ treating them with
you either put your trust in nhs or don’t

I'd assume they'd be injecting with a fully approved treatment, not one still undergoing trials as Covid vacs are (until 2023 according to gov.uk).