kiwi pom
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Covid Vaccine Roll out.
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Same in france , no vaccine = stay at home
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Worrying thing is that in the States the people with a high level of education aligned with medical sciences are the ones most hesitant to take the vaccine. They know something but are not likely to explain why for fear of being cancelled.
kiwi pom
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I thought it was those who refuse to be told what to do and the God-botherer's that were turning down jabs?
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No, and that is my interest. polls in the states showed that phd qualified people were most vaccine hesitant, even senior nuclear scientists are refusing the jab and going on strike/prepared to lose their jobs. This isn't just an uneducated portion of the population, it's people that 'should know better' too. I want to know what they know.
Many will
Mr Mackay
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And how would you define many? Too many ? Enought to accept its still a viable protection -many ? Or is any too many?
What's to tell? Stupid is as stupid does. Stay at home, keep your own council and let the idiots hurry to the extermination centres.
Too many.
Mr Mackay
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That wasnt one of my reply options
- did you mean any is too many ?Yes it was. Are you a bit special?That wasnt one of my reply options
Mr Mackay
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Nah , just trying to see what angle you are coming from .
kiwi pom
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I think its still a, wont be told what to do attitude over there, we're seeing it here a little too. I know people that wont get jabbed purely because the PM says they have to.
A nuclear scientist is as qualified as a tractor driver when it comes to commenting on medical issues. But because the scientist has a PHD they might think that they have expertise in other areas too. I think its called the Dunning Kruger effect?
As far as I can tell medical experts are still saying getting vaccinated is safer than not for adults, especially older people and those with health conditions.
There seems to be a bit more discussion on children getting vaccinated for purely medical reasons though.
essex man
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As I remember the survey the top two groups for unvaccinated were both ends of education spectrum...i.e PhD level was top and least educated were second.
Those in the middle enjoying their covid life bonuses/changes and getting needlessly scared by the media?
lazy farmer
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Could you put a link up please
Its not being phased out. The side effects are well documented and incredibly rare.
38 people per 10 million might get GBS.
60 people per 10 million might get a haemorrhagic stroke.
Similar odds to people who get Covid.......
Covid vaccines associated with rare neurological complications, says study | Financial Times
Researchers emphasise that adverse events following Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs are extremely rare
www.ft.com
From behind the paywall..............
The BioNTech/Pfizer and Oxford/AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccines are associated with seven rare neurological complications, according to the most comprehensive study of the side effects from the two jabs.
Using data from 32m vaccinated adults in England, researchers estimated that an extra 38 people per 10m who received their first Oxford/AstraZeneca shot suffered from Guillain-Barré syndrome, which causes pain and weakness in the limbs and is usually temporary, than would do in the general population.
They found an increased risk of haemorrhagic stroke, a brain bleed, in the 28 days after vaccination with the BioNTech/Pfizer shot, at an estimated 60 extra cases per 10m people. The increased risk was significantly higher in female patients.
A smaller data set from Scotland backed up the association between the AstraZeneca vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome, but did not find the same link between the Pfizer shot and haemorrhagic stroke.
Aziz Sheikh, professor of primary care research and development at the University of Edinburgh, emphasised that the adverse events were so rare that they had to report their incidence in millions, rather than thousands.
The incidents were measured in the 28 days after vaccination, or a positive test result. “We’re not seeing a higher risk for any of these adverse events associated with the vaccine, than those associated with the infection,” he said. In fact, people infected with Sars CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, had a substantially higher risk of the seven neurological conditions. The infection causes 145 excess cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome per 10m people, and 123 extra events of encephalitis meningitis and myelitis, inflammations of the brain and spinal cord. There was a higher risk of haemorrhagic stroke in people infected with the virus, but only for the first seven days after testing positive. The data covered people vaccinated from December-May and included 20m vaccinated with AstraZeneca and 12m who received a Pfizer jab, and were compared with 2m people who tested positive for Covid-19. The scientists will now study the incidence in the population after two doses.
The BioNTech/Pfizer and Oxford/AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccines are associated with seven rare neurological complications, according to the most comprehensive study of the side effects from the two jabs.
Using data from 32m vaccinated adults in England, researchers estimated that an extra 38 people per 10m who received their first Oxford/AstraZeneca shot suffered from Guillain-Barré syndrome, which causes pain and weakness in the limbs and is usually temporary, than would do in the general population.
They found an increased risk of haemorrhagic stroke, a brain bleed, in the 28 days after vaccination with the BioNTech/Pfizer shot, at an estimated 60 extra cases per 10m people. The increased risk was significantly higher in female patients.
A smaller data set from Scotland backed up the association between the AstraZeneca vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome, but did not find the same link between the Pfizer shot and haemorrhagic stroke.
Aziz Sheikh, professor of primary care research and development at the University of Edinburgh, emphasised that the adverse events were so rare that they had to report their incidence in millions, rather than thousands.
The incidents were measured in the 28 days after vaccination, or a positive test result. “We’re not seeing a higher risk for any of these adverse events associated with the vaccine, than those associated with the infection,” he said. In fact, people infected with Sars CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, had a substantially higher risk of the seven neurological conditions. The infection causes 145 excess cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome per 10m people, and 123 extra events of encephalitis meningitis and myelitis, inflammations of the brain and spinal cord. There was a higher risk of haemorrhagic stroke in people infected with the virus, but only for the first seven days after testing positive. The data covered people vaccinated from December-May and included 20m vaccinated with AstraZeneca and 12m who received a Pfizer jab, and were compared with 2m people who tested positive for Covid-19. The scientists will now study the incidence in the population after two doses.
essex man
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The long term risks are unknown, you would agree?Its not being phased out. The side effects are well documented and incredibly rare.
38 people per 10 million might get GBS.
60 people per 10 million might get a haemorrhagic stroke.
Similar odds to people who get Covid.......
Covid vaccines associated with rare neurological complications, says study | Financial Times
Researchers emphasise that adverse events following Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs are extremely rare
Short term effects are clearly under reported
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Was the quickest link under google
Americans with PhDs are most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID
Carnegie Mellon University and University of Pittsburg reported a U-shaped correlation between vaccine skepticism and education. The highest hesitancy was among the least and most educated.
lazy farmer
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Thank youWas the quickest link under google
Americans with PhDs are most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID
Carnegie Mellon University and University of Pittsburg reported a U-shaped correlation between vaccine skepticism and education. The highest hesitancy was among the least and most educated.www.dailymail.co.uk