Covid Vaccine Roll out.

oval

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Not a clue, but I think it takes a conspiracy theorist to imagine engineered pandemics with forced mass vaccination.
It takes a company that has the opportunity to make a fortune , it has the finances and influence to sway decisions in health regulatory bodies and can even get the who to change the definition of a pandemic to implement its plan , the people injured had to fight for years to get compensation governments lost fortunes on buying dud vax
 

primmiemoo

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It takes a company that has the opportunity to make a fortune , it has the finances and influence to sway decisions in health regulatory bodies and can even get the who to change the definition of a pandemic to implement its plan , the people injured had to fight for years to get compensation governments lost fortunes on buying dud vax
Links, please.
 

Raider112

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If it was fully tested safe and as you have said fully understood they would know who to jag and who not to jag .
And if we are to believe 2000 deaths on the yellow card reporting system at what point do we say it’s to many I seem to remember with the failed swine flu vax it was around 150 when it was halted.
How could they possibly know who to jag and who not?

If I took ill and died 2 years ago it would be natural but if I did it last year questions would have been asked about the vaccine, that's human nature. But if we believe 2,000 deaths have been caused by the vaccine what percent of the numbers it saved would that be? 1%?, 10%?, even if it was 20% that's still a lot more deaths but it would have been nowhere near that, whatever anyone thinks, the vaccines transformed the situation.
 

oval

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How could they possibly know who to jag and who not?

If I took ill and died 2 years ago it would be natural but if I did it last year questions would have been asked about the vaccine, that's human nature. But if we believe 2,000 deaths have been caused by the vaccine what percent of the numbers it saved would that be? 1%?, 10%?, even if it was 20% that's still a lot more deaths but it would have been nowhere near that, whatever anyone thinks, the vaccines transformed the situation.
If it was fully tested safe and fully understood which has been quoted on here many times the reasons for serious death and injury would be understood we would know and understand why the vax injured certain people and not others and administer accordingly and people could make a more informed choice on whether to take it or not especially in the younger ages where there employment , access to medical treatment etc was to be stoped if they didn’t comply .
I think you’ll find last year if you died and they could label you as a covid death that’s what they would do which is why the number they chuck out for covid deaths is false and the reason they have kept a rolling total is it’s the only way they can make it look like a big number.
 

Raider112

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If it was fully tested safe and fully understood which has been quoted on here many times the reasons for serious death and injury would be understood we would know and understand why the vax injured certain people and not others and administer accordingly and people could make a more informed choice on whether to take it or not especially in the younger ages where there employment , access to medical treatment etc was to be stoped if they didn’t comply .
I think you’ll find last year if you died and they could label you as a covid death that’s what they would do which is why the number they chuck out for covid deaths is false and the reason they have kept a rolling total is it’s the only way they can make it look like a big number.
Every medicine has side effects listed on the package but to my knowledge they can't just tell random people whether to expect side effects or not? Am I missing something?
 

oval

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Every medicine has side effects listed on the package but to my knowledge they can't just tell random people whether to expect side effects or not? Am I missing something?
Yes if they fully understand how they work then they should understand which individuals will have a bad reaction as they would screen these out and not let them take whatever it is that’s going to cause a severe reaction ,
which is why people can’t say with any honesty these vaxes are totally safe and fully understood .
I have no problem with people choosing for themselves to take the vax everybody should decide the risk for themselves especially for their health and age but we were forced , threatened and lied to about the severity of the illness to make us comply this was a disgrace
 

Raider112

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Yes if they fully understand how they work then they should understand which individuals will have a bad reaction as they would screen these out and not let them take whatever it is that’s going to cause a severe reaction ,
which is why people can’t say with any honesty these vaxes are totally safe and fully understood .
I have no problem with people choosing for themselves to take the vax everybody should decide the risk for themselves especially for their health and age but we were forced , threatened and lied to about the severity of the illness to make us comply this was a disgrace
So which medicines can do that? Surely if they fully understand how they work they should understand which individuals will have a bad reaction? I just don't get it that the covid jab is the only one that can't warn us in advance if we will have a reaction to it.
Other than health workers which of us were forced into having the vaccine? They even abandoned it with the health workers.
I'm not looking for an argument here, just you've made these claims a few times and it doesn't ring true to me but I'm quite happy to accept I'm wrong if it is explained to me.
 

br jones

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Take his recent nonsense he spouted about omicron around Christmas the man is a disgrace who should not be listened to him and sage gave wildly misleading information to spark fear in the population you could even call it covid misinformation . If you want to see why his predictions were nonsense go further back and look at what he said would happen in Sweden as they didn’t lockdown he was completely wrong .
sweden let their old folk die ,didnt help them ,anybody with another issue were left to die ,sweden was not a place to be if you were ver 60 with a condition
 

br jones

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I personally know of four people who had side effects lasting up to a month after vaccination, but no longer and nothing serious.
I am also very aware of long term issues from virus, as my daughter has suffered from it for the last fifteen years and although much better these days, still has no stamina and suffers fatigue for a day or two after doing anything strenuous. She had glandular fever while in school, caused by Epstein-Barr virus which translated into long term ME. The latest hypothesis from scientists is that Epstein-Barr is also an essential precursor to multiple sclerosis in a small number of those infected. Hardly anyone that does not have EB gets MS.
electrician and his lad up today ,the lad still cant smell anythingafter 18 months ,he knows a young lady who had the virus and all she can smell is burnt rubber very odd
 

oval

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sweden let their old folk die ,didnt help them ,anybody with another issue were left to die ,sweden was not a place to be if you were ver 60 with a condition
They admitted this to there own public that it was their biggest mistake in the way they treated the elderly and that was no different to us which is exactly what we did and where the big numbers came from at the start it’s already been called unlawfull that we put untested old people out of hospitals and into care homes
 

oval

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So which medicines can do that? Surely if they fully understand how they work they should understand which individuals will have a bad reaction? I just don't get it that the covid jab is the only one that can't warn us in advance if we will have a reaction to it.
Other than health workers which of us were forced into having the vaccine? They even abandoned it with the health workers.
I'm not looking for an argument here, just you've made these claims a few times and it doesn't ring true to me but I'm quite happy to accept I'm wrong if it is explained to me.
Were the vaccines described as fully tested and safe .?
Were we told 2 jags to freedom . ?
Any medicine which causes serious injury or death can’t be described as fully tested and safe
 

primmiemoo

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This is the Ivor Cummins from your link. Dear senses, doesn't he have an underlying agenda in the following! ... ~


Wonder who are these "moderates" he's referring to 🤔

This is the BBC page he talks about in the video in post no. 5,050 ~

A quirk in the way Sweden reports its covid statistics ~

Cummins doesn't read the data properly, unlike these two (warning: earnest scientist and statistician alert, but they are both the real thing in their fields) ~


Cummins isn't being deplatformed, or censored, or anything. He's just plain wrong about the pandemic. He's allowed an opinion. He is fortunate he doesn't live in a totalitarian state. It doesn't mean he's right about the pandemic.

Worth a listen in relation to covid deaths in India ~

People died in their droves from covid. Just because their deaths weren't reported, doesn't mean they never existed.
 

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