Covid Vaccine Roll out.

[essex man]

Ah, so we're all at the same level. So why do you quote so consistently from antivax sites when it's been made clear to you?

I don't actually, what I write are generally my own words. I post links that I am sent, for the interest of others.
You understand how the mRNA leaves the site of injection and instructs cells all over your body to make an uncontrolled and massively variable amount of spike protein.
The effects of this were not studied properly as the full body/biodistibution effect of a new vaccine is not required for certification.
This is because vaccine didn't used to mean what is done now.
This would be potentially justifiable for a disease that is a serious issue for public health, c19 has proven to not be .

 

[essex man]

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Good, trustworthy, information about vaccines has been available right from the start of rollouts.
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Thanks, I've done my best

 

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These videos are from last year (feels longer ago, but that's pandemics for you, eh? ) ~

The full playlist from which the above is taken ~

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1yY3WBVbNWB_EnyX_b9piSGCH56H6UhQ

Good, trustworthy, information about vaccines has been available right from the start of rollouts.

Didn’t here Chris mention anything about the potential fraud in the clinical trials or the people adversely effected whom they have ignored or even about the danger signal now being reported with the mRNA vaccines

 

[Raider112]

How ever the pros and cons of it all pans out possibly?

So there's a theoretical chance there may possibly be some sort of a problem in future?
It's like worrying about an asteroid strike, being killed in a plane crash or eaten by a shark. They say the protection the vaccines give you only lasts for a short period but you are suggesting there will be after effects years in advance?
The usual suspects make a song and dance about isolated problems but ignore the millions of lives that have been saved worldwide. We were just one bad variant from disaster, still might be, the vaccines were a game changer.
If we choose to take them or not is an individual choice, I don't understand why people who complain about scaremongering are so keen to do it themselves.

 

[primmiemoo]

I don't actually, what I write are generally my own words. I post links that I am sent, for the interest of others.
You understand how the mRNA leaves the site of injection and instructs cells all over your body to make an uncontrolled and massively variable amount of spike protein.
The effects of this were not studied properly as the full body/biodistibution effect of a new vaccine is not required for certification.
This is because vaccine didn't used to mean what is done now.
This would be potentially justifiable for a disease that is a serious issue for public health, c19 has proven to not be .

What you appear to have swallowed hook, line, and sinker is a series outright lies about how mRNA vaccines actually work. The lie about uncontrolled spike protein has been debunked time and time again, as has the nonsense about definition of vaccines, so please do start training your search engine, and politely decline to accept the misinformation you are being handed from whoever it is you know outside of Internet fora who is/are making a fool of you.

 

[primmiemoo]

Didn’t here Chris mention anything about the potential fraud in the clinical trials or the people adversely effected whom they have ignored or even about the danger signal now being reported with the mRNA vaccines

That's because he's telling us facts about vaccine safety, and not feeding into a loop of conspiracy theories/anti science activism. He mentions risk of vaccination. He mentions that side effects are rare.

The other videos in the list are equally straight and honest, and are appropriate to many different backgrounds and cultures ~ many of which have been deliberately targeted with antivax disinformation in addition to the usual half-baked misunderstandings and subsequent misinformation about medical matters that tag onto outbreaks of illness.

You mention a danger signal. Could you please link that to a credible study? One that has passed peer review, and scrutiny beyond that.

 

[essex man]

That's because he's telling us facts about vaccine safety, and not feeding into a loop of conspiracy theories/anti science activism. He mentions risk of vaccination. He mentions that side effects are rare.

The other videos in the list are equally straight and honest, and are appropriate to many different backgrounds and cultures ~ many of which have been deliberately targeted with antivax disinformation in addition to the usual half-baked misunderstandings and subsequent misinformation about medical matters.

You mention a danger signal. Could you please link that to a credible study? One that has passed peer review, and scrutiny beyond that.

What you appear to have swallowed hook, line, and sinker is a series outright lies about how mRNA vaccines actually work. The lie about uncontrolled spike protein has been debunked time and time again, as has the nonsense about definition of vaccines, so please do start training your search engine, and politely decline to accept the misinformation you are being handed from whoever it is you know outside of Internet fora who is/are making a fool of you.

Err no it's you who is swallowing stuff without checking.
You think that the vaccines last forever?
If so why do some groups need to keep having them.
If not so then why doesn't everyone have to keep having them?
Over 65s only in the autumn is recommendation currently.

 

[primmiemoo]

Sage have no problem with implementing project fear this is not so much scary but thought provoking

A thought provoked by the picture of those syringes is that whoever made the video has not read the dose for covid vaccines.

 

[essex man]

What you appear to have swallowed hook, line, and sinker is a series outright lies about how mRNA vaccines actually work. The lie about uncontrolled spike protein has been debunked time and time again, as has the nonsense about definition of vaccines, so please do start training your search engine, and politely decline to accept the misinformation you are being handed from whoever it is you know outside of Internet fora who is/are making a fool of you.

It's not a lie it's science and not particularly in dispute amongst mainstream science, just some fringe provaxxers

 

[primmiemoo]

Err no it's you who is swallowing stuff without checking.
You think that the vaccines last forever?
If so why do some groups need to keep having them.
If not so then why doesn't everyone have to keep having them?
Over 65s only in the autumn is recommendation currently.

No.
No.
Because, as you know, people with compromised immunity need extra support.
See above.
Wrong.

 

[primmiemoo]

It's not a lie it's science and not particularly in dispute amongst mainstream science, just some fringe provaxxers

OK. Link to the science that you think is correct, please. Actual full papers, and not bare graphs, thank you.

 

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That's because he's telling us facts about vaccine safety, and not feeding into a loop of conspiracy theories/anti science activism. He mentions risk of vaccination. He mentions that side effects are rare.

The other videos in the list are equally straight and honest, and are appropriate to many different backgrounds and cultures ~ many of which have been deliberately targeted with antivax disinformation in addition to the usual half-baked misunderstandings and subsequent misinformation about medical matters that tag onto outbreaks of illness.

You mention a danger signal. Could you please link that to a credible study? One that has passed peer review, and scrutiny beyond that.

Just because a study passes peer review doesn’t make it the whole truth .

 

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A thought provoked by the picture of those syringes is that whoever made the video has not read the dose for covid vaccines.

The figures spouted by Prof() Ferguson were used to scare a vast percentage of the population he was proved 100% wrong from virtually the start of the pandemic our main stream media continued spreading his nonsense for 2 years culminating in his utter embarrassment over his omicron stats and you are worried about a syringe on the front of a YouTube video

 

[primmiemoo]

The figures spouted by Prof() Ferguson were used to scare a vast percentage of the population he was proved 100% wrong from virtually the start of the pandemic our main stream media continued spreading his nonsense for 2 years culminating in his utter embarrassment over his omicron stats and you are worried about a syringe on the front of a YouTube video

Easily led, guv. Book - cover : Cover - book. Stands to reason, guv.

Ferguson has been well used as a coconut shy by downplayers, and those precious individuals who din't wanna change their behaviour during a pandemic, hasn't he. GBN had a whale of a time over him, iirc.

Thank goodness that enough people did enough of the right things to look after themselves and others, and his projection [edit: that modelled high figure of deaths if the Government chose to do nothing] did not come to pass. Thank goodness for the vaccines thereafter.

 

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Head of a big pharma company pays up to 1000 euro each so he or his family don’t need to take the vaccine but get a fake pass wonder why him and many others thought they were doing the right thing looks like he had no faith in what you are saying.

Easily led, guv. Book - cover : Cover - book. Stands to reason, guv.

Ferguson has been well used as a coconut shy by downplayers, and those precious individuals who din't wanna change their behaviour during a pandemic, hasn't he. GBN had a whale of a time over him, iirc.

Thank goodness that enough people did enough of the right things to look after themselves and others, and his projection [edit: that modelled high figure of deaths if the Government chose to do nothing] did not come to pass. Thank goodness for the vaccines thereafter.

 

[primmiemoo]

Head of a big pharma company pays up to 1000 euro each so he or his family don’t need to take the vaccine but get a fake pass wonder why him and many others thought they were doing the right thing looks like he had no faith in what you are saying.

As much of a cheat and liar as Johnson, by the look of it ~ just in a far more easily spotted way. Will that be used by the usual suspects to denigrate good science? [Rhetorical]

You are being redirected...

[Raised eyebrow ... ] Big pharma? [Raised eyebrow ... ]

 

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As much of a cheat and liar as Johnson, by the look of it ~ just in a far more easily spotted way. Will that be used by the usual suspects to denigrate good science? [Rhetorical]

You are being redirected...

[Raised eyebrow ... ] Big pharma? [Raised eyebrow ... ]

Why do they not believe what you are saying

 

[primmiemoo]

Why do they not believe what you are saying

Eh? How do I know? Why did they think they could get away with what they did? It seems to me that their behaviour was similar to that of people who acquired lanyards, etc, without any health related derogation so as to cheat on wearing a mask.

 

[essex man]

OK. Link to the science that you think is correct, please. Actual full papers, and not bare graphs, thank you.

No.
No.
Because, as you know, people with compromised immunity need extra support.
See above.
Wrong.

So vaccines don't last forever, you agree..so why doesn't everyone need more if they are unprotected now.