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So how many children is that? It doesn't seem to say.
Have they tested positive for Covid and was that why they were admitted?
Unfortunately there's loads of children in hospital here at the moment with RSV, a virus that seemed to take a year off last year.
Certainly more children sick with that than there were with Covid, there doesn't seem to be much of a fuss made about it though.
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A truly damning indictment of Macron and the EU elite, if ever one were needed. Malicious fools. But far worse than fools.
Scientific illiterates have jabbed AstraZeneca in the back
Bryan Appleyard
Sunday August 01 2021, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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In January President Macron of France said something so reckless and ignorant that it still makes the jaw drop. He claimed the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine “is quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older”. He said “everything points” to this conclusion. In fact, nothing did.
Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Mario Draghi, Italy’s prime minister, jumped on board. They had skin in the game — she’s 67 and he’s 73 — and, having had the AstraZeneca vaccine as a first jab, opted for a different one for their second. Macron is 43.
There was no evidence for any of the claims. There was only the fact that the vaccine had been insufficiently tested on that age group. Now we know it works just fine on pensioners.
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Then there were the clots. Word went out that the AstraZeneca vaccine caused rare but often fatal blood clots. In response, EU countries dumped it. Last week a Spanish study involving six million people found clots happened just as much after the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and in neither case could it be said that the vaccine was the cause. But, either way, catching Covid-19 puts you at much greater risk from lethal clotting, so the net effect of both these vaccines is to reduce your risk.
Last summer, working on the principle that no good deed should go unpunished, the European Commission spent three months trying to negotiate a price cut on the AstraZeneca jab. They did this despite the fact the company altruistically set the price at the cost of production. This meant they were losing money on the deal — but clearly, the commission felt, not enough. Pascal Soriot, chief executive of AstraZeneca, said last week he would soon have to start charging a realistic price.
For idealistic scientists, the dream of low-priced vaccines for the world lies in ruins. “The one vaccine that’s not-for-profit,” said Adam Ritchie, who worked on the vaccine at Oxford University’s Jenner Institute, “is the one that has been dumped on over and over and over again.”
A British government official has been quoted as saying: “The European leaders who trashed the AstraZeneca vaccine have blood on their hands.” This must be true: the delays will have led to deaths and the false accusations will have discouraged people from having the jab. Furthermore, all those pathetic, gullible anti-vaxers will be revelling in any news that there’s something wrong with the science.
So the big picture now is that the AstraZeneca vaccine is as effective and safe as any other, but mistrusted — most alarmingly in Africa, where vaccination rates are catastrophically low. How has this happened? That anonymous official seemed pretty sure it is all down to the EU: “They did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.”
That’s plausible but unprovable, and probably unhelpful for all but a few raging Europhobes. It is true that AstraZeneca is partly responsible for its own problems: it found, for example, that it could not deliver on its promises to the EU. But much more important is the fatal politicisation of the issue. As President Kenyatta of Kenya sagely observed this week, scientists across the world were working together until politicians started the wars of vaccine nationalism, with the AstraZeneca jab and Africa the primary victims.
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The deeper problem is that most politicians and many people don’t understand science — the prime minister keeps demonstrating his ignorance by speaking of “the” science. There is no such thing. Science is a dynamic process, an assembly of all the statements not yet falsified. You can’t, like the French president, just pick out one paper because you like the look of it. Science deserves better. It is a heroic enterprise, an attempt to understand the unknown and the uncertain. It is, at times like these, our best bet — or, rather, our only bet.
Politicians should get behind the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab as one of a near-miraculous group of effective and safe vaccines. And the priority of our health department and Foreign Office should be to flood Africa with this most effective shot. Everything, Mr Macron, really does point to this conclusion.
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Scientific illiterates have jabbed AstraZeneca in the back
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Sunday August 01 2021, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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In January President Macron of France said something so reckless and ignorant that it still makes the jaw drop. He claimed the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine “is quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older”. He said “everything points” to this conclusion. In fact, nothing did.
Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Mario Draghi, Italy’s prime minister, jumped on board. They had skin in the game — she’s 67 and he’s 73 — and, having had the AstraZeneca vaccine as a first jab, opted for a different one for their second. Macron is 43.
There was no evidence for any of the claims. There was only the fact that the vaccine had been insufficiently tested on that age group. Now we know it works just fine on pensioners.
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Then there were the clots. Word went out that the AstraZeneca vaccine caused rare but often fatal blood clots. In response, EU countries dumped it. Last week a Spanish study involving six million people found clots happened just as much after the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and in neither case could it be said that the vaccine was the cause. But, either way, catching Covid-19 puts you at much greater risk from lethal clotting, so the net effect of both these vaccines is to reduce your risk.
Last summer, working on the principle that no good deed should go unpunished, the European Commission spent three months trying to negotiate a price cut on the AstraZeneca jab. They did this despite the fact the company altruistically set the price at the cost of production. This meant they were losing money on the deal — but clearly, the commission felt, not enough. Pascal Soriot, chief executive of AstraZeneca, said last week he would soon have to start charging a realistic price.
For idealistic scientists, the dream of low-priced vaccines for the world lies in ruins. “The one vaccine that’s not-for-profit,” said Adam Ritchie, who worked on the vaccine at Oxford University’s Jenner Institute, “is the one that has been dumped on over and over and over again.”
A British government official has been quoted as saying: “The European leaders who trashed the AstraZeneca vaccine have blood on their hands.” This must be true: the delays will have led to deaths and the false accusations will have discouraged people from having the jab. Furthermore, all those pathetic, gullible anti-vaxers will be revelling in any news that there’s something wrong with the science.
So the big picture now is that the AstraZeneca vaccine is as effective and safe as any other, but mistrusted — most alarmingly in Africa, where vaccination rates are catastrophically low. How has this happened? That anonymous official seemed pretty sure it is all down to the EU: “They did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.”
That’s plausible but unprovable, and probably unhelpful for all but a few raging Europhobes. It is true that AstraZeneca is partly responsible for its own problems: it found, for example, that it could not deliver on its promises to the EU. But much more important is the fatal politicisation of the issue. As President Kenyatta of Kenya sagely observed this week, scientists across the world were working together until politicians started the wars of vaccine nationalism, with the AstraZeneca jab and Africa the primary victims.
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The deeper problem is that most politicians and many people don’t understand science — the prime minister keeps demonstrating his ignorance by speaking of “the” science. There is no such thing. Science is a dynamic process, an assembly of all the statements not yet falsified. You can’t, like the French president, just pick out one paper because you like the look of it. Science deserves better. It is a heroic enterprise, an attempt to understand the unknown and the uncertain. It is, at times like these, our best bet — or, rather, our only bet.
Politicians should get behind the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab as one of a near-miraculous group of effective and safe vaccines. And the priority of our health department and Foreign Office should be to flood Africa with this most effective shot. Everything, Mr Macron, really does point to this conclusion.
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You can't keep politics out of anything now , watch France go RED on Wednesday .A truly damning indictment of Macron and the EU elite, if ever one were needed. Malicious fools. But far worse than fools.
Scientific illiterates have jabbed AstraZeneca in the back
Bryan Appleyard
Sunday August 01 2021, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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In January President Macron of France said something so reckless and ignorant that it still makes the jaw drop. He claimed the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine “is quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older”. He said “everything points” to this conclusion. In fact, nothing did.
Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Mario Draghi, Italy’s prime minister, jumped on board. They had skin in the game — she’s 67 and he’s 73 — and, having had the AstraZeneca vaccine as a first jab, opted for a different one for their second. Macron is 43.
There was no evidence for any of the claims. There was only the fact that the vaccine had been insufficiently tested on that age group. Now we know it works just fine on pensioners.
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Then there were the clots. Word went out that the AstraZeneca vaccine caused rare but often fatal blood clots. In response, EU countries dumped it. Last week a Spanish study involving six million people found clots happened just as much after the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and in neither case could it be said that the vaccine was the cause. But, either way, catching Covid-19 puts you at much greater risk from lethal clotting, so the net effect of both these vaccines is to reduce your risk.
Last summer, working on the principle that no good deed should go unpunished, the European Commission spent three months trying to negotiate a price cut on the AstraZeneca jab. They did this despite the fact the company altruistically set the price at the cost of production. This meant they were losing money on the deal — but clearly, the commission felt, not enough. Pascal Soriot, chief executive of AstraZeneca, said last week he would soon have to start charging a realistic price.
For idealistic scientists, the dream of low-priced vaccines for the world lies in ruins. “The one vaccine that’s not-for-profit,” said Adam Ritchie, who worked on the vaccine at Oxford University’s Jenner Institute, “is the one that has been dumped on over and over and over again.”
A British government official has been quoted as saying: “The European leaders who trashed the AstraZeneca vaccine have blood on their hands.” This must be true: the delays will have led to deaths and the false accusations will have discouraged people from having the jab. Furthermore, all those pathetic, gullible anti-vaxers will be revelling in any news that there’s something wrong with the science.
So the big picture now is that the AstraZeneca vaccine is as effective and safe as any other, but mistrusted — most alarmingly in Africa, where vaccination rates are catastrophically low. How has this happened? That anonymous official seemed pretty sure it is all down to the EU: “They did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.”
That’s plausible but unprovable, and probably unhelpful for all but a few raging Europhobes. It is true that AstraZeneca is partly responsible for its own problems: it found, for example, that it could not deliver on its promises to the EU. But much more important is the fatal politicisation of the issue. As President Kenyatta of Kenya sagely observed this week, scientists across the world were working together until politicians started the wars of vaccine nationalism, with the AstraZeneca jab and Africa the primary victims.
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The deeper problem is that most politicians and many people don’t understand science — the prime minister keeps demonstrating his ignorance by speaking of “the” science. There is no such thing. Science is a dynamic process, an assembly of all the statements not yet falsified. You can’t, like the French president, just pick out one paper because you like the look of it. Science deserves better. It is a heroic enterprise, an attempt to understand the unknown and the uncertain. It is, at times like these, our best bet — or, rather, our only bet.
Politicians should get behind the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab as one of a near-miraculous group of effective and safe vaccines. And the priority of our health department and Foreign Office should be to flood Africa with this most effective shot. Everything, Mr Macron, really does point to this conclusion.
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Charlie Gill
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Good article. Not convinced using the word 'pathetic' is useful though.A truly damning indictment of Macron and the EU elite, if ever one were needed. Malicious fools. But far worse than fools.
Scientific illiterates have jabbed AstraZeneca in the back
Bryan Appleyard
Sunday August 01 2021, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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In January President Macron of France said something so reckless and ignorant that it still makes the jaw drop. He claimed the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine “is quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older”. He said “everything points” to this conclusion. In fact, nothing did.
Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Mario Draghi, Italy’s prime minister, jumped on board. They had skin in the game — she’s 67 and he’s 73 — and, having had the AstraZeneca vaccine as a first jab, opted for a different one for their second. Macron is 43.
There was no evidence for any of the claims. There was only the fact that the vaccine had been insufficiently tested on that age group. Now we know it works just fine on pensioners.
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Then there were the clots. Word went out that the AstraZeneca vaccine caused rare but often fatal blood clots. In response, EU countries dumped it. Last week a Spanish study involving six million people found clots happened just as much after the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and in neither case could it be said that the vaccine was the cause. But, either way, catching Covid-19 puts you at much greater risk from lethal clotting, so the net effect of both these vaccines is to reduce your risk.
Last summer, working on the principle that no good deed should go unpunished, the European Commission spent three months trying to negotiate a price cut on the AstraZeneca jab. They did this despite the fact the company altruistically set the price at the cost of production. This meant they were losing money on the deal — but clearly, the commission felt, not enough. Pascal Soriot, chief executive of AstraZeneca, said last week he would soon have to start charging a realistic price.
For idealistic scientists, the dream of low-priced vaccines for the world lies in ruins. “The one vaccine that’s not-for-profit,” said Adam Ritchie, who worked on the vaccine at Oxford University’s Jenner Institute, “is the one that has been dumped on over and over and over again.”
A British government official has been quoted as saying: “The European leaders who trashed the AstraZeneca vaccine have blood on their hands.” This must be true: the delays will have led to deaths and the false accusations will have discouraged people from having the jab. Furthermore, all those pathetic, gullible anti-vaxers will be revelling in any news that there’s something wrong with the science.
So the big picture now is that the AstraZeneca vaccine is as effective and safe as any other, but mistrusted — most alarmingly in Africa, where vaccination rates are catastrophically low. How has this happened? That anonymous official seemed pretty sure it is all down to the EU: “They did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.”
That’s plausible but unprovable, and probably unhelpful for all but a few raging Europhobes. It is true that AstraZeneca is partly responsible for its own problems: it found, for example, that it could not deliver on its promises to the EU. But much more important is the fatal politicisation of the issue. As President Kenyatta of Kenya sagely observed this week, scientists across the world were working together until politicians started the wars of vaccine nationalism, with the AstraZeneca jab and Africa the primary victims.
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The deeper problem is that most politicians and many people don’t understand science — the prime minister keeps demonstrating his ignorance by speaking of “the” science. There is no such thing. Science is a dynamic process, an assembly of all the statements not yet falsified. You can’t, like the French president, just pick out one paper because you like the look of it. Science deserves better. It is a heroic enterprise, an attempt to understand the unknown and the uncertain. It is, at times like these, our best bet — or, rather, our only bet.
Politicians should get behind the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab as one of a near-miraculous group of effective and safe vaccines. And the priority of our health department and Foreign Office should be to flood Africa with this most effective shot. Everything, Mr Macron, really does point to this conclusion.
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Tbf it helped our vaccination program no end .
Charlie Gill
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I meant in relation to the anti-vaxxers. Gullible is fine, calling them pathetic will just bring up a wall. He could have just cited the Spanish study and left it there.
Indeed , but he's a desperate man , soon to be recruited to the EU commission no doubt
Charlie Gill
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I was talking about Bryan Appleyard, not Macron.
Oh .
I think terms like 'conspiracy theorist', 'far right' and 'anti-vaxxer' are extremely unhelpful. I would be very much against my children, all under 18 being given an experimental vax but they've had all of the other ones growing up after their mother and I did the research and agreed it was sensible. I can see and support why my 85 year old Dad would take the Phizer jab because the balance of risk of the vax is probably less than the effects of a nasty virus.
What I do think you will find is that their are evangelists on both extremes who do not do the research, just tow a line sold to them by a largely corrupt and controlled media and social media system. Critical thinking is on the way out and I also blame the education system for that.
Charlie Gill
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I think we are both close to the line but on opposing sides, I think the word 'experimental' is unhelpful.
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You could just as easily say groundbreaking
essex man
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Agree, when they use the word vaccine for this novel type of drug, it is partly to trade on the name and successful record of vaccines.
If you don't support this "vaccine" you are an anti-vaxxer however much you espouse previous vaccine campaigns.
it's more of the same...from those who don't like debate because their case is such nonsense it's easily exposed.
Just point fingers and call people names rather than debate.
Charlie Gill
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The speed in which it has been achieved, yes.
Factual though.
Charlie Gill
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No, that's not true. It works.