COVID vax for kids

milkloss

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
I'm not going to say too much about my opinion yet but what do we all think about vaccinating kids? I gather schools will start vaccinating certain ages soon and sometimes parents consent haven't been sought beforehand. I'll admit I haven't read much on it yet but interested to see what you all think.
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
Is there a good medical reason for it? I'm hearing lots about how children should get it to help prevent spread but not much about the risks to children's health from getting Covid.
What's the current UK opinion? Here everyone 12 and up is expected to get it. Once its cleared for 2 to 11 year olds I think there will be the same requirement.
Not sure how I feel about it yet.
 

Pigken

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Location
Co. Durham
It's not just how we as parents feel though. Have 11 year old who has point blankly said will not have vaccination, will run away etc. And from her comments about others at school, a lot have similar thoughts on not wanting it.
Should we force them to??
Should parents over rule child's right to own thoughts and choice?
Quite a few seem to be sharing stories about relatives, family friends that have had some adverse reaction or have had jab and still been ill even died with virus. Some youngsters certainly seem to have valid reasons to be wary.
 

Fromebridge

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BASIS
Location
Glos
Ultimately the child has the final say, surely? Same with any person. Is a resisting. struggling, flailing kid going to be pinned down and stabbed with a needle?
 

Mouser

Member
Location
near Belfast
It's not just how we as parents feel though. Have 11 year old who has point blankly said will not have vaccination, will run away etc. And from her comments about others at school, a lot have similar thoughts on not wanting it.
Should we force them to??
Should parents over rule child's right to own thoughts and choice?
Quite a few seem to be sharing stories about relatives, family friends that have had some adverse reaction or have had jab and still been ill even died with virus. Some youngsters certainly seem to have valid reasons to be wary.
This is the problem, it shouldn't even be an option and certainly not publicised. Bad enough dividing society with lies about protecting others without dividing families and putting that mental burden onto teenagers! No medical reason for it in their interest either except under special circumstances.
 

yin ewe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
When vaccination started we were made to believe that once the old and vulnerable were done we could get back to normal, then it was the over 60s, then the over 50s, then 40s, then 18 to 40, now it's over 12s and it will of course end up with under 12s being done, all for a disease that has an average age of death of over 80:unsure:
 

Fromebridge

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BASIS
Location
Glos
When vaccination started we were made to believe that once the old and vulnerable were done we could get back to normal, then it was the over 60s, then the over 50s, then 40s, then 18 to 40, now it's over 12s and it will of course end up with under 12s being done, all for a disease that has an average age of death of over 80:unsure:
And the drive to get the unborn treated, of course.
 

yin ewe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
I thought Covid was and is working its way through the school population as we write. Herd immunity soon. Let us old codgers decide if we want a booster or not and mix with folk at venues.

At the start of term our P2 was pinged 3 times in the first 2 weeks, she was tested 3 times, always negative and hasn't been pinged since so I assume herd immunity has already been reached in her school.
 

milkloss

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Some sensible answers here. I don't believe the vaccines have been proven safe NOR effective enough to warrant risking a child's future. i should think asking your school what the situation is regarding vaccination because I reckon they're going to just do it without warning. Big pharma needs its money and all that.
 

essex man

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Location
colchester
When vaccination started we were made to believe that once the old and vulnerable were done we could get back to normal, then it was the over 60s, then the over 50s, then 40s, then 18 to 40, now it's over 12s and it will of course end up with under 12s being done, all for a disease that has an average age of death of over 80:unsure:
Exactly! Also, when vaccination started people were led to believe it would stop them catching and spreading the virus and that there were no serious side effects.
People who are jabbed want everyone to be jabbed, the more that are jabbed the more popular discrimination measures are.
Friend of mine just got fired from her job as a nurse after 15 years for refusing to receive an experimental gene therapy "vaccine".
No redundancy just "get out".
That was in Australia, not as bad here...yet!
Friend of my wife's starting ranting about how people who are unvaxxed should "have to take a leap in the dark like we did"...she has been in and out of hospital since the jab with side effects.[/QUOTE]
 

teslacoils

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Location
Lincolnshire
My child was really keen. But while off for covid he's gone through the data and the benefit seems negligible and the chance of myocarditis greater than the chance of needing to go to hospital. Now he's had covid he's not so sure, but has plenty of time until he's offered the jab.
 
I am not in favour of any measure that forces, obliges or coerces people to get vaccinated. It is down to individual choice. Simple as that. Given the weight of evidence for children it will be a parent-child decision. It is estimated that the level of antibodies within the younger end of the UK population is very high so I can't see vaccination making much difference to them. Local high school is reported to have had over 150 kids test positive by PCR lately, so you can be near certain that virtually every pupil in the place has got the virus or already had it.
 

teslacoils

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Some sensible answers here. I don't believe the vaccines have been proven safe NOR effective enough to warrant risking a child's future. i should think asking your school what the situation is regarding vaccination because I reckon they're going to just do it without warning. Big pharma needs its money and all that.

They can't just do it. Requires consent from the parent, or from the child if they are Gillick competent.

A child who has a paddy / threatens to run away is hardly displaying a level of maturity to be able to make their own medical decisions.

Tldr children are very low risk and most secondary age children will be able to a) understand vaccines have got rid of lots of bad stuff in the world and b) ought have a grasp of statistics to read the official data. Then, if they are mature enough, they are legally able to decide for themselves. If they act like babies, then they are unlikely to have the ability to make their own choice hence the parent should make it - your children are your children. Dont treat them like mates.
 

MRT

Member
They can't just do it. Requires consent from the parent, or from the child if they are Gillick competent.

A child who has a paddy / threatens to run away is hardly displaying a level of maturity to be able to make their own medical decisions.

Tldr children are very low risk and most secondary age children will be able to a) understand vaccines have got rid of lots of bad stuff in the world and b) ought have a grasp of statistics to read the official data. Then, if they are mature enough, they are legally able to decide for themselves. If they act like babies, then they are unlikely to have the ability to make their own choice hence the parent should make it - your children are your children. Dont treat them like mates.
I had a letter asking consent for my 12 yo, it said that if I didn't give it and they deemed the child could give consent they would do it anyway. If there was an adverse reaction and a child died would they take responsibility? No. So they should not assume this power.
 

milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
I had a letter asking consent for my 12 yo, it said that if I didn't give it and they deemed the child could give consent they would do it anyway. If there was an adverse reaction and a child died would they take responsibility? No. So they should not assume this power.
This is what I'm concerned about.
 

teslacoils

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
I had a letter asking consent for my 12 yo, it said that if I didn't give it and they deemed the child could give consent they would do it anyway. If there was an adverse reaction and a child died would they take responsibility? No. So they should not assume this power.

They are wrong. Govt guidelines for school jabs will always seek consent from whoever has parental responsibility.

The govt guidance is available, clear and well written.


If you do not consent, but your child wishes to consent in many cases they will be fine to have the jab - your twelve year old child can be deemed competent.

If you and your child withold consent, they cannot give your child the jab; they simply cannot and the ramifications of inserting a needle into someone without consent is likely to be a charge of actual bodily harm.

HAve a rational conversation with your child. The data and info are easily understood. Do not worry about them jabbing someone who does not consent. They won't.
 

teslacoils

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
I had a letter asking consent for my 12 yo, it said that if I didn't give it and they deemed the child could give consent they would do it anyway. If there was an adverse reaction and a child died would they take responsibility? No. So they should not assume this power.

Your child would still have to give written consent.
 

MRT

Member
HAve a rational conversation with your child. The data and info are easily understood. Do not worry about them jabbing someone who does not consent. They won't.
Your child would still have to give written consent.
I understand that, my problem here is the role of the state vs the role of the parent and the question of consent. He is 12 and I don't care how his understanding is assessed by a nurse or other public servant or whathaveyou, if my consent is witheld that should be the end of it. He is not an orphan dependant on the state, he is my responsibility.
 

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