COVID vax for kids

Goweresque

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Location
North Wilts
Quite startling that the collective scientific community with expertise in vaccines don't know this. You'd think it's precisely the kind of core knowledge they would have, around which all the work they do on respiratory viruses is built. You'd think it's something that's taught in first year at university.

Really? They've completely overlooked the 'fact' that vaccinating seniors and school kids every year does not actually have any effect? That's a ridiculous claim.

The immunity to old strains held by the aged population is the only thing preventing them making a resurgence in the wider population? Really?

Surely as strains migrate away from the one a child was innoculated with at first infection, by the time the child is forty or fifty, they must be very much at risk of severe infection if they have not been able to modify their immune response since childhood.

What cobblers.

Just google 'Original antigenic sin' and start reading some of the many papers on the subject you will find. Its a real thing, and the fact that it has been overlooked (or rather ignored) by the scientists working on covid vaccines can be easily explained - the thought of hundreds of billions of pounds of sales revenue for a successful covid vaccine can make anyone a bit forgetful........

Apart from which its entirely possible that scientists told the politicians about the long term dangers from OAS and were told to ignore them. Politicians work on very short timescales, they were desperate for a vaccine that 'worked' in the here and now as the public were clamouring for a solution, what do they care if a decade or more hence people are dying as a result of that decision? Do you really think an elected politician is going to tell a public crying out for a vaccine 'Well we've got one that works, sort of, and will protect you now for a while, but because its dangerous for society in the long term we aren't going to give it to you'? They'd get lynched.
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
Here's the funny thing, we are told everything will be fine because covid numbers are falling & a large majority of the positive results are in school children, can't help noticing that numbers are in fact still rising & kids have all been on half term holiday all this week, perhaps they are getting this a little wrong?
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
Still on the look out over this..... I can see some huge rows (rhymes with cow) over this coming on soon.

saw this video on tube, it is American and I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the data he uses but nonetheless he raises an interesting point. Out of 1.9 million children that contract COVID only 26 end up in hospital over it but if they were all vaccinated 156 would get myocarditis. Hmmmmm,

The dangers of statistics.
these figures are correct, 156 / Million vaccinated boys would get myocarditis from the Covid jab rate of .0156%
of the children who get covid and develop Myocarditis 26 end up in hospital a rate of .0026%
however these figures are grossly misleading because they conflate two completely different figures.
suffering Myocarditis and hospital admissions

The correct equivalent figure for myocarditis among Covid infected is nearly ten times this 1,460 / Million a rate of .146%
Hopsitalisations are harder to acquire due to the number of patients being in hospital for other reasons but acquiring Covid there.
The strange thing is , which I do not believe anyone understand,s the figure for girls with Myocarditis is an order of magnitude lower, so low in fact it is difficult to get any realistic figures.
Sadly one 14 year old UK girl has died from Covid induced Myocarditis
I have edited one line I included by mistake
 
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Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Here's the funny thing, we are told everything will be fine because covid numbers are falling & a large majority of the positive results are in school children, can't help noticing that numbers are in fact still rising & kids have all been on half term holiday all this week, perhaps they are getting this a little wrong?
takes a few days for infections to come out. The reduction in infections should be next week if Half term has anything to do with it.
 

Mouser

Member
Location
near Belfast
Quite startling that the collective scientific community with expertise in vaccines don't know this. You'd think it's precisely the kind of core knowledge they would have, around which all the work they do on respiratory viruses is built. You'd think it's something that's taught in first year at university.

Really? They've completely overlooked the 'fact' that vaccinating seniors and school kids every year does not actually have any effect? That's a ridiculous claim.

The immunity to old strains held by the aged population is the only thing preventing them making a resurgence in the wider population? Really?

Surely as strains migrate away from the one a child was innoculated with at first infection, by the time the child is forty or fifty, they must be very much at risk of severe infection if they have not been able to modify their immune response since childhood.

What cobblers.
The same scientific community that has been so accurate regarding covid and vaccines so far?
 

Guleesh

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Isle of Skye
Quite startling that the collective scientific community with expertise in vaccines don't know this. You'd think it's precisely the kind of core knowledge they would have, around which all the work they do on respiratory viruses is built. You'd think it's something that's taught in first year at university.

Really? They've completely overlooked the 'fact' that vaccinating seniors and school kids every year does not actually have any effect? That's a ridiculous claim.

The immunity to old strains held by the aged population is the only thing preventing them making a resurgence in the wider population? Really?

Surely as strains migrate away from the one a child was innoculated with at first infection, by the time the child is forty or fifty, they must be very much at risk of severe infection if they have not been able to modify their immune response since childhood.

What cobblers.
It's not cobblers. I highly recommend watching this
 

nails

Member
Location
East Dorset
Just google 'Original antigenic sin' and start reading some of the many papers on the subject you will find. Its a real thing, and the fact that it has been overlooked (or rather ignored) by the scientists working on covid vaccines can be easily explained - the thought of hundreds of billions of pounds of sales revenue for a successful covid vaccine can make anyone a bit forgetful........

Apart from which its entirely possible that scientists told the politicians about the long term dangers from OAS and were told to ignore them. Politicians work on very short timescales, they were desperate for a vaccine that 'worked' in the here and now as the public were clamouring for a solution, what do they care if a decade or more hence people are dying as a result of that decision? Do you really think an elected politician is going to tell a public crying out for a vaccine 'Well we've got one that works, sort of, and will protect you now for a while, but because its dangerous for society in the long term we aren't going to give it to you'? They'd get lynched.

There is no way that all scientists involved in the Pandemic are going to overlook Original antigenic sin because they are thinking of the money. That is a ridiculous statement.
Same with your second paragraph . The politicians told all the scientists to ignore possibly important information. and no one would care how many died in 10 years time. You are picking items to fit an agenda.
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
There is no way that all scientists involved in the Pandemic are going to overlook Original antigenic sin because they are thinking of the money. That is a ridiculous statement.
Same with your second paragraph . The politicians told all the scientists to ignore possibly important information. and no one would care how many died in 10 years time. You are picking items to fit an agenda.
You seem to be very much on the vaccine side, I think I am too but for children, not so much.
It looks like the vaccine will be approved for 5 - 11 year olds.
Thoughts?
 

nails

Member
Location
East Dorset
You seem to be very much on the vaccine side, I think I am too but for children, not so much.
It looks like the vaccine will be approved for 5 - 11 year olds.
Thoughts?

When you have seen people go down with Covid and get seriously ill at a relatively young age without any previous problems you would think vaccinating is a good idea. I am not sure about vaccinating the very young as very few get serious complications from covid although more than is ideal. This whole notion of Original Antigenic sin is hypothesis and un informed people babbling about reduced immunity in vaccinated against un vaccinated are way out of their depth . It is amazig that they come up with these ideas after a few minutes on Wikipedia and can then refute the experts who have studied all their life.
 

Mouser

Member
Location
near Belfast
Is that a peer reviewed study or just another rabbit hole?
Actually i have just looked at some of the other stuff on that site and "dodgy" would be being kind.
It's not a study! It's the actual numbers from public health england. Google vaccine surveillance report and you can look through all the data from the last 15-20 weeks and make your own conclusions.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
When you have seen people go down with Covid and get seriously ill at a relatively young age without any previous problems you would think vaccinating is a good idea. I am not sure about vaccinating the very young as very few get serious complications from covid although more than is ideal. This whole notion of Original Antigenic sin is hypothesis and un informed people babbling about reduced immunity in vaccinated against un vaccinated are way out of their depth . It is amazig that they come up with these ideas after a few minutes on Wikipedia and can then refute the experts who have studied all their life.
I can't find much in the way of good medical reasons to vaccinate 5-11 year olds unless they have other health problems. Even those authorising Pfizer's vaccine use in the age group seem to be saying it's not necessary in otherwise healthy children.
Vaccinating them to help protect others is a different ethical decision.
The study group was not large enough to detect rare side effects and there's really no way of knowing unless you actually vaccinate a large number of children.
I believe in vaccines and am fully jabbed, my kids have had all their shots including chicken pox but it's a no from me regarding my 7 and 9 year olds and the Pfizer shot at this stage.
 

Mouser

Member
Location
near Belfast
I can't find much in the way of good medical reasons to vaccinate 5-11 year olds unless they have other health problems. Even those authorising Pfizer's vaccine use in the age group seem to be saying it's not necessary in otherwise healthy children.
Vaccinating them to help protect others is a different ethical decision.
The study group was not large enough to detect rare side effects and there's really no way of knowing unless you actually vaccinate a large number of children.
I believe in vaccines and am fully jabbed, my kids have had all their shots including chicken pox but it's a no from me regarding my 7 and 9 year olds and the Pfizer shot at this stage.
It should be plainly obvious to anyone that can read numbers that your shot is not going to protect others. Rather than it being a case of get the vaccine or get covid, after 5/6 months its had the vaccine and more likely to get covid.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
From this week, in this part of NZ, if you are 12 and up and want access to council property, swimming pools (including outdoors) libraries, museums, council offices etc you have to have a vaccine passport. Along with non essential shops, cafes, restaurants etc.
Jabs for 5-12 year olds are almost certainly coming early 2022.
So how long do we think it will be before its no jab, no in person classes for school children?
 
From this week, in this part of NZ, if you are 12 and up and want access to council property, swimming pools (including outdoors) libraries, museums, council offices etc you have to have a vaccine passport. Along with non essential shops, cafes, restaurants etc.
Jabs for 5-12 year olds are almost certainly coming early 2022.
So how long do we think it will be before its no jab, no in person classes for school children?
Are Clarke's children vaccinated???🤔
 

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