Cows on my land

[DEADRED]

What is the law regarding cows / sheep on my land?

The driveway to my house runs along side a fence to next doors farm. The other side is field/rocky heathland. I have no use for it so agreed the farmer could let his cows on it.

I was looking into getting some sheep for my little field out front and read something about registering land used for cattle. Is it legal for him to let his cows on my land? He may have already registered it with the previous owners permission as they were there before I bought the house then put back when I gave permission. They do get moved between his land and mine.

Also....could he not get me some sheep and goats registered to him but keep them on my land if he already registered the land

Is registering land for cattle even a thing or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

 

[Jameshenry]

What is the law regarding cows / sheep on my land?

The driveway to my house runs along side a fence to next doors farm. The other side is field/rocky heathland. I have no use for it so agreed the farmer could let his cows on it.

I was looking into getting some sheep for my little field out front and read something about registering land used for cattle. Is it legal for him to let his cows on my land? He may have already registered it with the previous owners permission as they were there before I bought the house then put back when I gave permission. They do get moved between his land and mine.

Also....could he not get me some sheep and goats registered to him but keep them on my land if he already registered the land

Is registering land for cattle even a thing or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

If you got grass you can have some of my sheep to look after

 

[honeyend]

I think you are talking about a CPH number,

Apply for a county parish holding (CPH) number

Apply online for a CPH number for land or buildings you'll use to keep livestock, including those kept as pets, in England.

www.gov.uk

You do not have to own the land to have a CPH, and you would need your own if you had sheep, you just ring up to get one, and get a flock number. If you rent other land you would need your own CPH for that land if you kept livestock on it.

 

[DEADRED]

If you got grass you can have some of my sheep to look after

Can I have two to keep?

 

[DEADRED]

I think you are talking about a CPH number,

Apply for a county parish holding (CPH) number

Apply online for a CPH number for land or buildings you'll use to keep livestock, including those kept as pets, in England.

www.gov.uk

You do not have to own the land to have a CPH, and you would need your own if you had sheep, you just ring up to get one, and get a flock number. If you rent other land you would need your own CPH for that land if you kept livestock on it.

Yeah that's what I was reading. So he probably has a CPH already as he has used the field before I got here. I will have to ask him about that.

If I get the CHP and flock number will I be able to let the sheep and goats go into the other field with the cows when the grass is low on the little field?

I have a cattle grid at the start of my land with an open gate. Will this keep sheep and goats in? Will the cows/sheep/goats fight or are they ok together?

 

[Jameshenry]

Can I have two to keep?

I'll stick them on a pallet and send them on

 

[DEADRED]

I'll stick them on a pallet and send them on

I dont want standard ones like in your picture. Look at these...... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/e86dd95b-f264-443d-a8d0-efcb45ab1441

 

[Jameshenry]

I dont want standard ones like in your picture. Look at these...... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/e86dd95b-f264-443d-a8d0-efcb45ab1441

Lost for words

 

[Longlowdog]

Cattle grid won't keep goats in. Male goats with forward facing horns are an absolute sod for butting sheep.
The sheep in your picture are Valais Black Nose and are rather expensive though now the novelty is wearing off the pyramid schemes will be tumbling soon so give it a year or two and they will be cheap as chips.

 

[DEADRED]

Cattle grid won't keep goats in. Male goats with forward facing horns are an absolute sod for butting sheep.
The sheep in your picture are Valais Black Nose and are rather expensive though now the novelty is wearing off the pyramid schemes will be tumbling soon so give it a year or two and they will be cheap as chips.

If I get sorted on legalities and can find some for sale moneys not a problem.

Sounds like goats will be a problem however.....

 

[DEADRED]

Lost for words

 

[honeyend]

Yeah that's what I was reading. So he probably has a CPH already as he has used the field before I got here. I will have to ask him about that.

If I get the CHP and flock number will I be able to let the sheep and goats go into the other field with the cows when the grass is low on the little field?

I have a cattle grid at the start of my land with an open gate. Will this keep sheep and goats in? Will the cows/sheep/goats fight or are they ok together?

I would try the forum The Accidental Smallholder, they have basic guides for keeping animals,

The Accidental Smallholder Forum - Index - The Accidental Smallholder

The Accidental Smallholder Forum - Index

www.accidentalsmallholder.net

They have information about stocking rates on small amounts of land.

 

[DEADRED]

I would try the forum The Accidental Smallholder, they have basic guides for keeping animals,

The Accidental Smallholder Forum - Index - The Accidental Smallholder

The Accidental Smallholder Forum - Index

www.accidentalsmallholder.net

They have information about stocking rates on small amounts of land.

I have been told around six sheep per acre. The field I want them for is around one acre plus I have agreed to buy three acres from the farm next door.

The heathland my drive runs through is huge so if they can go together with the cows I have enough for a few more!

I found pedigree sheep for sale this morning so I'm excited to get the ball rolling Monday morning!

 

[Yale]

@Regalis

Not far from us.....

Wrexham farm that's home to Swiss Valais Blacknose, the 'world's cutest sheep'

Two farming partners have become noted breeders of Valais sheep as they look ahead to Brexit

www.dailypost.co.uk

 

[DEADRED]

@Regalis

Not far from us.....

Wrexham farm that's home to Swiss Valais Blacknose, the 'world's cutest sheep'

Two farming partners have become noted breeders of Valais sheep as they look ahead to Brexit

www.dailypost.co.uk

I found some in Cheshire too. That will be birthday gift sorted off my mum and dad

May look at some other breeds too as I think goats are too mischievous, plus I have plenty of space

 

[Poorbuthappy]

I have been told around six sheep per acre. The field I want them for is around one acre plus I have agreed to buy three acres from the farm next door.

The heathland my drive runs through is huge so if they can go together with the cows I have enough for a few more!

I found pedigree sheep for sale this morning so I'm excited to get the ball rolling Monday morning!

You won't keep 6 sheep per acre year round without supplementary feeding and top notch grazing management.
Allow 2 or 3 per acre will be plenty. But remember you will have "too much grass" at peak growing season and not enough during winter. With a bit of planning you can defer grazing for leaner times.

 

[DEADRED]

You won't keep 6 sheep per acre year round without supplementary feeding and top notch grazing management.
Allow 2 or 3 per acre will be plenty. But remember you will have "too much grass" at peak growing season and not enough during winter. With a bit of planning you can defer grazing for leaner times.

I will have approximately four acres between the two fields plus a huge heathland area. I dont mind getting in extra food if needed.

I only want maybe four to six sheep

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Cattle grid won't keep goats in. Male goats with forward facing horns are an absolute sod for butting sheep.
The sheep in your picture are Valais Black Nose and are rather expensive though now the novelty is wearing off the pyramid schemes will be tumbling soon so give it a year or two and they will be cheap as chips.

why not get a few Tor Ddus or Tor Wens, I bet they would be cheaper and also look great (they do have a propensity for getting out though!)

History and description of Torddu and Torwen

A brief history and definition of the breed

www.badgerfacesheep.co.uk

 

[Ffermer Bach]

If I get sorted on legalities and can find some for sale moneys not a problem.

Sounds like goats will be a problem however.....

I have no idea, but I have heard that goats need shelter as they don't have lanolin in their wool so can't cope with heavy rain, is that right? I have also heard that they can be a reservoir for worms for the sheep (and are hard to keep worm free).

 

[puppet]

Then buy 5 sheep. Don't start with pedigree as one will probably die and you will be annoyed. When the grass gets too long then let his cows in for 2 weeks to control it. If it is next door to him then there won't be any issues just opening the gate.
To keep animals you will need a holding number and inform animal Health. They will expect you to have somewhere to catch the sheep. 3 gates in a corner should suffice