Crowds at sporting events

Martin Holden

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Grassland Exhibitor
Location
Cheltenham
Will the government be giving any detail soon on when fans can return and watch sports indoors and outdoors?
Given the current situation not sure how they can calculate when this would be safe. Until infection rates drop and stay low for a good period they would be hung drawn and quartered to release us all like that. Strange times. Still I can hear the grass growing and Spring is almost here so that’s one blessing
 
I don't think anyone can reliably quantify the risk to an individual from this disease. I don't know my own risk given my circumstances, I don't know what the risk is to my kids or my extended family. But the government aren't worried about this anyway.

The government are concerned only with the capacity within the NHS. They know that this virus has the capability to overwhelm the NHS and that if you get enough people infected at any one time, irrespective of who they are or how old they are, a number of people will end up hospitalised with it. Now, capacity is capacity and there is only so much intensive care bed space (and staff) available in the UK. We know, from historical records, what the monthly totals of patients requiring ITU care will be in regular circumstances. You can plan for that as we know so many people will have a heart attack/stroke/massive car accident etc this month. Covid 19 blows all that up and gives you no warning.

People are naturally curious about or focused upon the perceived or relative risk to themselves. Government policy isn't being formulated based on the risk to you. It is solely a calculation based on how many people are infected and how much capacity does the health service have?

You can imagine the tabloid headlines when some random Joe has a car accident and dies because there is not a single ITU bed available for 100 miles in any direction. There would be a political firestorm if that situation happened or if a covid19 patient was taken out of ITU and allowed to die because that same car accident patient needed the bed.

A covid19 risk I can sort of come to terms with psychologically. I can't personally quantify the risk of me being in a serious car accident or what happens to me when I suddenly need an intensive care bed but I need a 2 hour ambulance trip before I get to one. I can't quantify the risk to me either when I need hospital treatment despite knowing all the NHS staff are fudged, knackered or emotionally worn down. People make mistakes when they are tired, stressed and under pressure. Studies have been carried out on pilots and surgeons and the results of stress well recognised worldwide. I'm all in favour of personal liberty and folk living their lives but people need to take responsibility and not be engaging in daft activities like cliff jumping or driving on the snow for no fudging reason during a pandemic.

You wanna go a football match, ok by me. How about you sign an NHS waiver first? Still want to watch football now?
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
I don't think anyone can reliably quantify the risk to an individual from this disease. I don't know my own risk given my circumstances, I don't know what the risk is to my kids or my extended family. But the government aren't worried about this anyway.

The government are concerned only with the capacity within the NHS. They know that this virus has the capability to overwhelm the NHS and that if you get enough people infected at any one time, irrespective of who they are or how old they are, a number of people will end up hospitalised with it. Now, capacity is capacity and there is only so much intensive care bed space (and staff) available in the UK. We know, from historical records, what the monthly totals of patients requiring ITU care will be in regular circumstances. You can plan for that as we know so many people will have a heart attack/stroke/massive car accident etc this month. Covid 19 blows all that up and gives you no warning.

People are naturally curious about or focused upon the perceived or relative risk to themselves. Government policy isn't being formulated based on the risk to you. It is solely a calculation based on how many people are infected and how much capacity does the health service have?

You can imagine the tabloid headlines when some random Joe has a car accident and dies because there is not a single ITU bed available for 100 miles in any direction. There would be a political firestorm if that situation happened or if a covid19 patient was taken out of ITU and allowed to die because that same car accident patient needed the bed.

A covid19 risk I can sort of come to terms with psychologically. I can't personally quantify the risk of me being in a serious car accident or what happens to me when I suddenly need an intensive care bed but I need a 2 hour ambulance trip before I get to one. I can't quantify the risk to me either when I need hospital treatment despite knowing all the NHS staff are fudged, knackered or emotionally worn down. People make mistakes when they are tired, stressed and under pressure. Studies have been carried out on pilots and surgeons and the results of stress well recognised worldwide. I'm all in favour of personal liberty and folk living their lives but people need to take responsibility and not be engaging in daft activities like cliff jumping or driving on the snow for no fudging reason during a pandemic.

You wanna go a football match, ok by me. How about you sign an NHS waiver first? Still want to watch football now?
While the tenet of your essay has truths then pre Covid, if ever anyone can remember, I wanted it to be going skiing, skydiving, car rallying, then how about sign a NHS waiver first, in case me who does none of those self elected very risky things needs an ITU bed through a genuine illness or accident.
 

7610 super q

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Crapweathershire
The lower league clubs will go bust if not allowed back soon - rely on gate income. Be very sad if Covid lockdown enthusiasts and the Conservative and Brexit Party destroy these local clubs. But hey lets be safe.
It ought to be fairly obvious by now, during lockdowns cases fall, death rates fall, hospitals have less patients. Ending lockdowns, cases rise rapidly, death rates rise, hospitals are full ( 12 month waiting list for hip and other operations in Wales now ). Most of the population seem to have pinned their hopes on vaccines. I'm not so sure. Some things just have to re open....eg dentists. But football ? pubs ? ( You can, after all ,get pished and watch footy at home ).
Yes it's hard on some businesses, but hey-ho.
 
While the tenet of your essay has truths then pre Covid, if ever anyone can remember, I wanted it to be going skiing, skydiving, car rallying, then how about sign a NHS waiver first, in case me who does none of those self elected very risky things needs an ITU bed through a genuine illness or accident.
There is an argument that people indulging in those activities should be paying a necessary insurance premium. When I am the minister for health this will be one of my policies.
 

Martin Holden

Member
Grassland Exhibitor
Location
Cheltenham
The government have no concerns other than their own popularity, football grounds will be closed for as long as the war on covid is more popular than football
Covid isn’t a political tool for any party. It’s a worldwide pandemic. It takes priority over politics - Bojo and co’ aren’t the experts just the interface between the experts and the masses
 

essex man

Member
Location
colchester
Covid isn’t a political tool for any party. It’s a worldwide pandemic. It takes priority over politics - Bojo and co’ aren’t the experts just the interface between the experts and the masses
The scientists are there to give the government the advice it needs to justify policy.
That's how government works.
Politicians lack credibility and utilise the credibility that scientists' possess.
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
While the tenet of your essay has truths then pre Covid, if ever anyone can remember, I wanted it to be going skiing, skydiving, car rallying, then how about sign a NHS waiver first, in case me who does none of those self elected very risky things needs an ITU bed through a genuine illness or accident.
Insurance?
 

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Growers and agronomists now face the dilemma of an early application to remove competition from emerged wild oats, or holding off to allow more weeds to germinate.

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“That offers the chance to control wild oats more cost effectively at lower rates, whilst there is still the flexibility to tailor application rates up to 0.82 l/ha for larger or over wintered weeds and difficult situations.

“The variability of crops and situations this season means decisions for appropriate Axial Pro rates and application techniques will need to be made on a field-by-field basis,” she advised.

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