Crusoe

[Adeptandy]

Grown this variety of WW in the past and really liked it, but was told no longer available by Frontier a few years ago. I've now discovered its still out there being grown.
So, anyone growing it in the DD situation and hows it compare with Skyfall on disease nowadays ?
Thanks

 

[Midnight plough boy]

IMHO it walks over Skyfall - proteins for fun, yes it has had a touch of yellow rust in places this year but a good T0 (Teb + Azoxy) will give you a good robust base.

The next bit some may take offence to, and I can see why - T1 Univoq (as long as it does what it says on the tin rather than what it has done in some sprayers). This then buys you two SDHIs for T2 and T3 to keep the brown rust out (Elatus T2, Velogy T3).

Of course milling premium needs to be good to take this level of spend, but with old crop premiums at £53 today it’s a level which is sustainable. New crop premiums need to come up a good £20 to make milling wheat exciting though.

 

[Hampton]

Positives: millers like it, best protein of all gp1s, good disease profile (weak on brown rust but that’s no problem)

negatives: millers won’t pay for it.
Terrible to thresh. Spec weight and screenings can be a problem.
When I grew it, I’d run it all over a rotary cleaner and feed the screenings to the cattle.

to be fair, you probably already know this as you’ve grown it before.

 

[Bigjon44]

Tried crusoe in the past but broke down badly to brown rust and as already said terrible to combine
Skyfall all the way now as long as teb doesn't disappear

 

[chipchap]

I reckon Solstice was a better yielded than Crusoe, and suspect Zyatt is too, provided disease can be kept in check. Anybody care to comment?

Protein level is of course another story.

 

[Adeptandy]

Been struggling with short ears on the Skyfall last 2-3 years, hence the question

 

[Badshot]

I grow both Skyfall and Crusoe , started with the kv tineseeder, now on the gd in true zero till.
Some years Crusoe yields better, some years Skyfall.
Protein better in Crusoe.
Crusoe harder to thresh.
Less prone to shedding though, and will hold quality longer in inclement weather.
Crusoe is much cleaner than Skyfall with similar fungicide spend.
Brown rust is the Achilles heel.
Yields are similar, if not better than when I used to cultivate.

 

[chipchap]

Just think on those very high yielding seasons Crusoe suffers a yield penalty.

In 2011 Solstice was outstanding here, but 2012 made up for it.

 

[Brisel]

Lots of Crusoe still grown. It had a renaissance a couple of years ago when it had a stonking year & the other Group 1s had disease issues. I'd agree with many of the points above;

• Watch brown rust but otherwise ok on disease
• Hard to thresh
• I'll keep you posted on how it works in DD! Don't cut seed rates is my only comment. Skyfall is a more rapid developer and will tiller better, if you want better ground cover sooner on wide row spacings. Skyfall ripens earlier too.

 

[Lincsman]

Crusoe always has the quality, and though hard to thrash , de awning plates help, its never an issue when selling it.

 

[Adeptandy]

Solstice used to be good here on the black fen as well but another Frontier dropped for Skyfall

 

[marshallfarm]

Frontier offer it as a variety on the warburtons contract. Grow lots here. Easy to grow, difficult to thrash. Saved our bacon though when all the other varieties shed a couple of years back.

 

[JCfarmer]

Grown this variety of WW in the past and really liked it, but was told no longer available by Frontier a few years ago. I've now discovered its still out there being grown.
So, anyone growing it in the DD situation and hows it compare with Skyfall on disease nowadays ?
Thanks

The lying bastaards!!! They have the warburtons contract now and I refused to sign up to it with them!
Do they not want crusoe anymore!?
Grown it for years and still growing it at the moment but not for fecking frontier!
Have tried skyfall but crusoe far better here.
Rant over, fecking frontier mind!

 

[ih1455xl]

What about nelson wheat

 

[Badshot]

The lying bastaards!!! They have the warburtons contract now and I refused to sign up to it with them!
Do they not want crusoe anymore!?
Grown it for years and still growing it at the moment but not for fecking frontier!
Have tried skyfall but crusoe far better here.
Rant over, fecking frontier mind!

Exactly what I thought when I read frontier don't offer it anymore.
Warburton's loved it when I grew it, always hit the protein, Skyfall always lower, but acceptable.
Frontier aren't high on my list of folk to deal with.

 

[Barleymow]

Crusoe always has the quality, and though hard to thrash , de awning plates help, its never an issue when selling it.

Better selling the chaff than leaving it in the field,every little helps to boost the weight

 

[Poacher]

What about nelson wheat

We find Nelson has performed consistently well over several years and cheaper to grow than other quality wheat varieties. Makes the protein easier than other varieties too for which Heygates will pay a Premium over Group 1 for any loads over 14%. Probably the best all round disease resistance, the lowest input requirements and consistently high protein. In these times of high input costs there’s all the more reason to consider Nelson…..it’s been about longer than all of the RecommendedList Group 1 varieties which in itself tells a story.

 

[Adeptandy]

Exactly what I thought when I read frontier don't offer it anymore.
Warburton's loved it when I grew it, always hit the protein, Skyfall always lower, but acceptable.
Frontier aren't high on my list of folk to deal with.

They probably offer it now they have the Warburtons job, but been breaking ties with Frontier, they're getting to big to care anymore

 

[Badshot]

They probably offer it now they have the Warburtons job, but been breaking ties with Frontier, they're getting to big to care anymore

Plenty other seed suppliers out there.

 

[Adeptandy]

Plenty other seed suppliers out there.

Yes, found an indie this year that's local