Cultivating- subsoiler or joker first?

[dirty harry]

Having a bit of a “moment “ & where I would normally run the trio through any compacted areas & it’s great for lifting etc it’s obviously not good for black grass?
Thinking of subsoiling these bits as a separate job now (with ld legs), would you subsoil first then joker or joker first then subsoil?
Cheers dh

 

[mo!]

Having a bit of a “moment “ & where I would normally run the trio through any compacted areas & it’s great for lifting etc it’s obviously not good for black grass?
Thinking of subsoiling these bits as a separate job now (with ld legs), would you subsoil first then joker or joker first then subsoil?
Cheers dh

Depends if it comes wet and you don't have the traction to sub soil? If you sub soil first then will it be smooth for higher speed operations like the Joker...

 

[marcot]

Ask @Clive

 

[Flat 10]

i vote joker, never having seen your land..........

 

[whiddy]

Joker first, if its heavy land, less lumps are pulled to the surface.

 

[dirty harry]

Heavy clay, was thinking joker first maybe cheers dh

 

[snarling bee]

I would joker before and after, spray off, drill.

 

[teslacoils]

Subsoil.
Joker.
Roll.
Look at it in eight weeks.

 

[curlietailz]

Heavy clay land here
We would sumo/joker
Then subsoil
Then sumo/joker again

 

[farmer steve]

We run a joker and sumo's on heavy land. Works down a lot better jokering first and then subsoil/sumo. Makes a lot more nice tilth for the sumo's to work with and the discs won't bring many lumps back up. Sumoing first the discs in the sumo's turn over a fair few big lumps, although with low disturbance legs it won't be so bad. Although dont joker too much ahead if it's going to come a lot of rain before you sumo it else won't get any traction till leaving it a long time to dry out.

 

[JCfarmer]

Whizz over it with the joker first and get the grass weeds chitting. Spray ,Subsoil next, a good packer on the back will get another chit, spray, joker again spray? All depends on grass weed burden.

 

[Brisel]

Joker first, if its heavy land, less lumps are pulled to the surface.

This. Be prepared to wait to subsoil if wet as it will be greasy on top. Better for BG control not to mix the topsoil too deep in the profile or you'll spread the future germination timing out deep into the following crops. The Sumo is great as a cultivation tool but not for BG control. The best place for topsoil is on the surface. Does it need a subsoiler? What does your spade tell you?

 

[whiddy]

I do like my trailed sumo trio, but have always thought its built the wrong way round, the disc's should be ahead of the legs.
I see that TWB do a terminator with disc's first, has anyone changed to one?

 

[Bobthebuilder]

what's the difference between sumo (1pass) than joker/subsoiling (2passes) both doing pretty much the same job what are you actually wanting to do? remove compaction?,create stale seed bed?, create seed bed to drill into straight away? or something else, how about deep plough and light surface cultivation

 

[farenheit]

what's the difference between sumo (1pass) than joker/subsoiling (2passes) both doing pretty much the same job what are you actually wanting to do? remove compaction?,create stale seed bed?, create seed bed to drill into straight away? or something else, how about deep plough and light surface cultivation

I guess the Joker should just work the top 2 or 3 inches and then a good subsoiler should do very little mixing. The sumo does quite a lot of mixing of soil. The sumo is a very good one pass cultivator but its soil mixing is counter productive if black grass is your main consideration.

 

[JCfarmer]

Low disturbance legs are key on the suboiler and wider spacing than the trio. I run a 3.2m sumo subsoiler with 5 Metcalfe ld legs on after a quick pass with the carrier.

 

[teslacoils]

Only reason I like to do the subsoil first is that if it's dry enough to subsoil, chances are I will bring up Lumps, and these can be chopped up with the next passes.

Roll.

 

[Will 1594]

I do like my trailed sumo trio, but have always thought its built the wrong way round, the disc's should be ahead of the legs.
I see that TWB do a terminator with disc's first, has anyone changed to one?

Awesome bit of kit but you need s 3 rd row of discs behind legs , or it does leave a few hollows , you can run with legs up if you just wanted to disc press . Or other way round to just use subsoiler legs , 12 mm low disturbance for rape can hardly see where you been

 

[nick...]

Work from the top down
Nick...

 

[Bobthebuilder]

the newer trailed sumos you can drop the discs out completely by taking out half a dozen bolts