Cumbria farmhouse heating options

[phillipe]

Must have had money to burn eh, that or you needed it that high due to the poor efficiency of the boiler or super sludgy radiators.


When was the last time you power flushed your wet system?

12 months ago ,i have a plumber who doesnt stick a wet finger in ghe air , doesn't like using plastic plpe and can design systems for very large houses and they work properly,his knowledge is immense and i bow to his knowledge ,and they way he makes his plumbing look artistic

 

[renewablejohn]

Must have had money to burn eh, that or you needed it that high due to the poor efficiency of the boiler or super sludgy radiators.


When was the last time you power flushed your wet system?

The oil boiler came with the fridge (farmhouse) with no insulation and a gale blowing through. First year we used 9000 ltrs second year we used none.

 

[e3120]

So, using a heat pump on your ppa will cost 1.36p/kWth
What do you pay for oil /kWth?

If the wind blows at the right time AND the system delivers a CoP of 3.6. If I had a salesman at my door telling me that, you'd barely hear the words miss-selling amongst the strongly worded request to go away.

The last time I did the sums, I worked on average input elect cost of 8p, CoP of 3, leading to 2.67p/kWh (v 4.8 plus boiler inefficiency for oil), but I'd have to run it for more hours than the oil to mitigate those lower temps (which would be lower still at 3.6 CoP) and to maximise RHI income to pay off the capital. That was before the 30,000 cap, which puts a further dampener on it. Shame.

 

[phillipe]

If the wind blows at the right time AND the system delivers a CoP of 3.6. If I had a salesman at my door telling me that, you'd barely hear the words miss-selling amongst the strongly worded request to go away.

The last time I did the sums, I worked on average input elect cost of 8p, CoP of 3, leading to 2.67p/kWh (v 4.8 plus boiler inefficiency for oil), but I'd have to run it for more hours than the oil to mitigate those lower temps (which would be lower still at 3.6 CoP) and to maximise RHI income to pay off the capital. That was before the 30,000 cap, which puts a further dampener on it. Shame.

You have to do what you feel comfortable with ,you seem to be not fazed by numbers.me i would insulate best you can ,modern boiler makes a huge difference.do what you think best ,a bit of vareity doesnt hurt ,dont want your eggs in one basket incase of breakdown.And it wholley depends on what you feel comfortable spending on systems that might or might not pay back their worth

 

[e3120]

You have to do what you feel comfortable with ,you seem to be not fazed by numbers.me i would insulate best you can ,modern boiler makes a huge difference.do what you think best ,a bit of vareity doesnt hurt ,dont want your eggs in one basket incase of breakdown.And it wholley depends on what you feel comfortable spending on systems that might or might not pay back their worth

Yes, I wouldn't entertain a system that required disconnecting fossil fuels to meet Ofgem rules. There's also a wood burner connected to the thermal store. If push comes to shove, and I stoke it hard, it'll sort the hot water and make a fair fist of the central heating. One HW cylinder is gravity-fed from it, so not everything grinds to a halt when the leccy is off.

 

[akaPABLO01]

12 months ago ,i have a plumber who doesnt stick a wet finger in ghe air , doesn't like using plastic plpe and can design systems for very large houses and they work properly,his knowledge is immense and i bow to his knowledge ,and they way he makes his plumbing look artisticView attachment 634192

Interesting, 65° running through ufh, does your plumber really know what he’s doing?

Give him a nudge from akaPABLO and tell him to label up, a bit of marker pen is a poor effort.

If the wind blows at the right time AND the system delivers a CoP of 3.6. If I had a salesman at my door telling me that, you'd barely hear the words miss-selling amongst the strongly worded request to go away.

The last time I did the sums, I worked on average input elect cost of 8p, CoP of 3, leading to 2.67p/kWh (v 4.8 plus boiler inefficiency for oil), but I'd have to run it for more hours than the oil to mitigate those lower temps (which would be lower still at 3.6 CoP) and to maximise RHI income to pay off the capital. That was before the 30,000 cap, which puts a further dampener on it. Shame.

Which is it, 8p or 4.9p, I wouldn’t run any numbers if I was you, but I’ll check through them with you?

The oil boiler came with the fridge (farmhouse) with no insulation and a gale blowing through. First year we used 9000 ltrs second year we used none.

So, 9,000 litres, £4,200?
10kWth / litre
900 kWth
= 4.6p /kWh is what you paid son

SO @e3120
You are paying 70% more for your heating

Abracadabra, I’m here all night

 

[phillipe]

Interesting, 65° running through ufh, does your plumber really know what he’s doing?

Give him a nudge from akaPABLO and tell him to label up, a bit of marker pen is a poor effort.


Which is it, 8p or 4.9p, I wouldn’t run any numbers if I was you, but I’ll check through them with you?

So, 9,000 litres, £4,200?
10kWth / litre
900 kWth
= 4.6p /kWh is what you paid son

SO @e3120
You are paying 70% more for your heating

Abracadabra, I’m here all night

Thats not my house ,38 thru the under floor on that job ,we have a platstc coated plan in the cupboard behind ,so dont be a big headed k nob and assume everybody is an idiot ,because you getting to sound a bit like that .

 

[e3120]

Which is it, 8p or 4.9p?

I think you already know, but in case you're not trying to be smart:

4.9p effective cost when I would otherwise be exporting it (roughly 60% of time)
12.6p cost when I have to import it (40%)

Average 8p.

I'm very well qualified to do sums, thankyou.

 

[renewablejohn]

Interesting, 65° running through ufh, does your plumber really know what he’s doing?

Give him a nudge from akaPABLO and tell him to label up, a bit of marker pen is a poor effort.


Which is it, 8p or 4.9p, I wouldn’t run any numbers if I was you, but I’ll check through them with you?

So, 9,000 litres, £4,200?
10kWth / litre
900 kWth
= 4.6p /kWh is what you paid son

SO @e3120
You are paying 70% more for your heating

Abracadabra, I’m here all night

Not when oil was only 8p per ltr. My wood is FOC and you cant get much cheaper than that.

 

[akaPABLO01]

Thats not my house ,38 thru the under floor on that job ,we have a platstc coated plan in the cupboard behind ,so dont be a big headed k nob and assume everybody is an idiot ,because you getting to sound a bit like that .

Well, I think you’ve just googled that image off the internet. On a piece of paper I would request you write.

akaPABLO weaves gold threads 15/02/2018

And place it on the pipework and take a picture please or I call fake @skinnyhoskins youre not fake are you?

I think you already know, but in case you're not trying to be smart:

4.9p effective cost when I would otherwise be exporting it (roughly 60% of time)
12.6p cost when I have to import it (40%)

Average 8p.

I'm very well qualified to do sums, thankyou.

So you stand corrected and forgiven for throwing out multiple figures in order to confuse me. I don’t hold grudges so a new day and all that...

Not when oil was only 8p per ltr. My wood is FOC and you cant get much cheaper than that.

All done by yesterday’s cost. I live in the here and now, not in the past. The equation was for @e3120 it just happened to help you understand what you would pay today and enjoy the savings you’re making.

 

[phillipe]

Well, I think you’ve just googled that image off the internet. On a piece of paper I would request you write.

akaPABLO weaves gold threads 15/02/2018

And place it on the pipework and take a picture please or I call fake @skinnyhoskins youre not fake are you?


So you stand corrected and forgiven for throwing out multiple figures in order to confuse me. I don’t hold grudges so a new day and all that...


All done by yesterday’s cost. I live in the here and now, not in the past. The equation was for @e3120 it just happened to help you understand what you would pay today and enjoy the savings you’re making.

Abracadabra i am here all night

 

[suffolksmallholder]

Ah, ha, ha, ha! Brilliant. Suck on that Pablo, he called your bluff matey
SS

 

[phillipe]

Ah, ha, ha, ha! Brilliant. Suck on that Pablo, he called your bluff matey
SS

No. Fakes here

 

[suffolksmallholder]

Even the soldering is tidy!
SS

 

[suffolksmallholder]

No. Fakes here

I knew that anyways. It's a skill thing eh
SS

 

[suffolksmallholder]

You should have hung a top hat in place of the woolly!
SS

 

[phillipe]

I knew that anyways. It's a skill thing eh
SS

I remember my dad telling me "i forgot more than you ever know"

 

[phillipe]

You should have hung a top hat in place of the woolly!
SS

Haven't got one ,was looking for me cravat or gilleh

 

[phillipe]

Even the soldering is tidy!
SS

I am proud of the stuff i do ,i live in a small village of around 150 houses and for the last 10 years or so i have not had to travel more than 3 milees for work.right now this year and half of next year is full,and i have clienrs who are prepared to wait ,i must be a fake eh

 

[akaPABLO01]

Abracadabra i am here all night
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Looks great. I was wondering what you’d write. Well done sir. Great solder joints and bends