Curious to know the main reason?

[rodp]

I have one local who detects, and who works for a sprayer repair company ie useful
I also let an organised group come once a year.

Helpful hint - want to do some detecting? Join an orgnaised group of detectorists.

Not being harsh, but if someone wants to enjoy my land they can pay for it in cash or kind. There are few hobbies you can enjoy for under £20 a day.

That's the way it should be, I tend to be useful to the farmers who let me on their land. They're happy and I'm happy.

Have metal detector, bought specifically to find a disc coulter assy. I had lost. Thought £100 detector would easily find it. Recon it was in a strip 6m x 120m. One or two other things that I knew had come loose on cultivators and a toplink definitely in a field corner.
Anyway's found unidentifiable bits of rust. Half horse shoes and dug many empty holes. After 3 hours decided time for home. Climbed over gate, slipped and stood on base of detector, broke plastic bracket where it hinges.
Can anyone near weld plastic?

Conclusion-- DONT WASTE YOUR TIME> find another hobby, like watching paint dry

Sorry, but you bought a kiddies toy for £100, that's why you didn't find anything

 

[rodp]

Farm is a lost Roman hill fort site and will remain lost until a proper dig is organised for the site.

Best of luck waiting for the funding for that, it can take decades if at all. But I see your point if you have no one trustworthy or known to you.

 

[rodp]

It would seem then that apart from the odd one or two that don't want anyone on their land the main objections are untrustworthy folk robbing the land owner of finds (Or suspected robbing), or authorising others to use the land (and possibly charging?)

Thanks for the replies gents, it was genuine curiosity as I have permissions and not actively seeking more. It would seem, as with a lot of things in life, the scum ruin it for the genuine and honest folk.

 

[Minesapint]

I have 2 brothers I allow to detect. I trust them. They asked if I would allow a friend to accompany them on one occasion to which I agreed. Last autumn, noticed someone had been nighthawking on a barley field. Full moon night I caught him. Police wouldn’t attend, so photographed him and asked the brothers if they knew him. It was their ‘friend’. They shamed him on the detecting groups on social media, where he was vilified. They gave me his address, and the police visited him. They came and spoke to me, and informed me they had organised some councelling for him as he was being victimised. Next time I will wrap his wand around his neck….bet the police will attend then.

 

[rodp]

And really if there is interesting stuff here then it should either be left alone or go into a local museum. It shouldn’t be going miles away to be flogged on eBay.

You mean left in the ground until it rots away completely, another historical loss? Strange, but a valid opinion nonetheless.

I had a detectorist come for years. I have no idea if I saw everything but there were one or two nice pieces he gave me. He certainly discovered a Roman settlement and turned up hundreds of Denari .
All his finds were handed over to the Norfolk Museam service for cataloguing
I found it fascinating to walk a field and wonder what my Roman forebears would make of todays world

Which is how it should be done. They're really hot on it now though, and other detectorists will report sales on Ebay, hence all the recent prosecutions.
I was stood next to someone who found a medallion (can't think what they're called) off a horse, it was the coat of arms from a lord or manor which made it highly likely it came from the horse of a knight. It seemed very strange to think that not so very long ago a "knight in shining armour" had come galloping full pelt across the very same spot I was now stood.

 

[Red Fred]

Farm is a lost Roman hill fort site and will remain lost until a proper dig is organised for the site.

Our local archaeological society is a part of the LoCate project, which is run by the local university who lend out their older geophys equipment to reputable groups. They train amateurs to operate the kit and it is all done for free. Our group have been using Bournemouth Uni's magnetometry equipment to look for ploughed out unrecorded long barrows, and we have found around 20 in the last 4 or 5 years, as well as iron age sites, Roman buildings and other interesting features.
The beauty of it is that no destructive digging has to take place, nothing is removed and the results of each 20m square surveyed are visible straight away, although our Ordnance Survey boffin enjoys playing around with the images. It might be worth finding out if any local societies are involved .

 

[Red Fred]

You mean left in the ground until it rots away completely, another historical loss? Strange, but a valid opinion nonetheless.

Not necessarily- I found a hoard of bronze age axes no more than 8" down under the pasture next to our house and they were perfectly preserved. In retrospect, I should have called in the archaeologists straight away, but being an impulsive 13 year old, I dug them up and wrote to the museum at Winchester who sent their experts down to record them. As they pointed out, they could have learned much more if they had been excavated properly but I learned my lesson.

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

Most, if not all my tenancies have clauses that do not allow metal detecting, so obviously it is not allowed here. Does not stop some trying without asking, are told to leave.

 

[renewablejohn]

Our local archaeological society is a part of the LoCate project, which is run by the local university who lend out their older geophys equipment to reputable groups. They train amateurs to operate the kit and it is all done for free. Our group have been using Bournemouth Uni's magnetometry equipment to look for ploughed out unrecorded long barrows, and we have found around 20 in the last 4 or 5 years, as well as iron age sites, Roman buildings and other interesting features.
The beauty of it is that no destructive digging has to take place, nothing is removed and the results of each 20m square surveyed are visible straight away, although our Ordnance Survey boffin enjoys playing around with the images. It might be worth finding out if any local societies are involved .

Had a great evening with the Queens celebrations. Lighting the beacon proved the signal chain along the Roman road from Manchester to Ribchester only required 2 beacons. Already have the Lidar results for the area which clearly shows the fort.

 

[Raider112]

We've had an organised group here, any finds are shown to the organiser who films them and edits it within a couple of hours so the group and the farmer can see what was found. Lots of interesting things were found although nothing of great value. They paid to come on and were organised and respectful. I don't see why people have a problem but maybe we've just been lucky.

 

[glasshouse]

Had a few in the past, given permission by dad, funnily enough none of them ever found anything (apparently), now have 3ft wide holes over the farm where they’ve dug a hole, made half an effort to fill it in and the grass has died the cattle use them as rubbing holes and each year they get bigger

Nice for the Quadbike to hit

 

[ollie989898]

I'm not a farmer, but I'm very often on a farm because of work and pastimes, and to be honest I've not had a problem getting permission for either shooting (night shooting foxes mainly) or metal detecting (occasionally).
But, it would appear many others do have problems getting "permissions", which leads to this question, and it's purely out of curiosity.
What would you say is the single most common reason for a farmer to refuse someone permission to metal detect? (Shooting I can understand, anyone would be wary of a stranger roaming around close to home with a high velocity firearm). But metal detecting isn't really high risk, so curious to know the main reason for refusal of permission? (And be honest, even if it's just "don't want numbskulls wandering around")

You need to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

For starters, a lot of farms have too many members of the public trying to wander around the place, littering, livestock worrying, leaving gates open and generally causing a nuisance. Why would someone want to encourage anyone on to the place?

Secondly, if you enjoy metal detecting, then surely you do it for pleasure. Anything you find on or under my land belongs to me- there is no 50:50 about it. Anything you find you present to the landowner, there should be no financial gain in the activity for you.

Thirdly, who wants people digging and walking in your crops? Leaving holes, killing the grass/crop and leaving stones ready for the mower or combine to strike?

The same goes for shooters. Many cannot be trusted. A select few can, because they treat the place as if it belongs to someone else, leave nothing but a few footprints and generally cause absolutely no bother whatsoever. I've heard all the complaints. The general public do not understand farms, do not understand farmers and certainly should never be allowed to roam in the countryside over private property.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I have 2 brothers I allow to detect. I trust them. They asked if I would allow a friend to accompany them on one occasion to which I agreed. Last autumn, noticed someone had been nighthawking on a barley field. Full moon night I caught him. Police wouldn’t attend, so photographed him and asked the brothers if they knew him. It was their ‘friend’. They shamed him on the detecting groups on social media, where he was vilified. They gave me his address, and the police visited him. They came and spoke to me, and informed me they had organised some councelling for him as he was being victimised. Next time I will wrap his wand around his neck….bet the police will attend then.

They organised counselling for him? I don't even know what to type to that! I think the police are not fit for purpose!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

You need to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

For starters, a lot of farms have too many members of the public trying to wander around the place, littering, livestock worrying, leaving gates open and generally causing a nuisance. Why would someone want to encourage anyone on to the place?

Secondly, if you enjoy metal detecting, then surely you do it for pleasure. Anything you find on or under my land belongs to me- there is no 50:50 about it. Anything you find you present to the landowner, there should be no financial gain in the activity for you.

Thirdly, who wants people digging and walking in your crops? Leaving holes, killing the grass/crop and leaving stones ready for the mower or combine to strike?

The same goes for shooters. Many cannot be trusted. A select few can, because they treat the place as if it belongs to someone else, leave nothing but a few footprints and generally cause absolutely no bother whatsoever. I've heard all the complaints. The general public do not understand farms, do not understand farmers and certainly should never be allowed to roam in the countryside over private property.

And to add to all that, I have just seen on facebook that Caroline Lucas (Green MP), wants a "right to roam" on farmland in England/Wales, I think the article was talking about "our countryside", so that is one more reason why I am protective of the farm here.

 

[Red Fred]

And to add to all that, I have just seen on facebook that Caroline Lucas (Green MP), wants a "right to roam" on farmland in England/Wales, I think the article was talking about "our countryside", so that is one more reason why I am protective of the farm here.

This is a real hate of mine, the idea that's "what mine is mine and what's yours is mine." Thanks to the likes of Facebook, it seems to have become common for people with different interests to poke their noses into other peoples' property, then make snide comments about the owner.
It is very common on the hedgerow tractors sites where passers-by or even lads doing a job on a farm will see an old machine in the hedge, photograph it and post it on Social media as if they have "discovered" it. It invariably attracts comments such as "Bet he won't sell it", "He thinks he's going to do it up when he retires ha-ha" or "Typical farmers have too much money. Shouldn't be allowed to have machines"
What makes me even more angry is "Urban explorers" who get into empty properties and poke about looking at the owner's stuff and photographing it for a buzz on their media pages.

 

[ollie989898]

This is a real hate of mine, the idea that's "what mine is mine and what's yours is mine." Thanks to the likes of Facebook, it seems to have become common for people with different interests to poke their noses into other peoples' property, then make snide comments about the owner.
It is very common on the hedgerow tractors sites where passers-by or even lads doing a job on a farm will see an old machine in the hedge, photograph it and post it on Social media as if they have "discovered" it. It invariably attracts comments such as "Bet he won't sell it", "He thinks he's going to do it up when he retires ha-ha" or "Typical farmers have too much money. Shouldn't be allowed to have machines"
What makes me even more angry is "Urban explorers" who get into empty properties and poke about looking at the owner's stuff and photographing it for a buzz on their media pages.

Urban explorers going into properly abandoned buildings and taking photos for websites are trespassing but do produce some amazing pictures. Not in someone's home though.

Abandoned Selly Oak Hospital, UK

Starting out as a Union Workhouse, Selly Oak hospital was expanded over the years. The hospital closed in 2012 and services were relocated to a new purpose built hospital nearby.

www.bcd-urbex.com

 

[chipchap]

And is that the reason you say no, or just a way of saying no, but for some other reason?

You have to say yes to them all, if you say yes to one, it’s true.

Usually I don’t really want any of them.

 

[TheTallGuy]

If I let one person on my land then lots of other folk think they have the right, besides which my insurance policy explicitly excludes allowing members of the public to use my land for recreational pursuits.

 

[Nearly]

And to add to all that, I have just seen on facebook that Caroline Lucas (Green MP), wants a "right to roam" on farmland in England/Wales, I think the article was talking about "our countryside", so that is one more reason why I am protective of the farm here.

Not seen many MP's or countryside enthusiasts talking about 'our mortgage' or 'our rent bill'

 

[Jackov Altraids]

And to add to all that, I have just seen on facebook that Caroline Lucas (Green MP), wants a "right to roam" on farmland in England/Wales, I think the article was talking about "our countryside", so that is one more reason why I am protective of the farm here.

Whatever reassurances you get from Janet Hughes or Defra, they can't stop any future government with green/ lib dem mp's changing the T & C's to let the general public 'enjoy' the public good of ELMS.
Likely to happen at some point.