Dairy farmers help me!!

Discussion in 'Dairy Farming' started by Bossfarmer, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. ive been to innes recently hence a reason i want to get into it very impressive
     
  2. yin ewe

    yin ewe Member

    Location:
    Co Antrim
  3. Penmoel

    Penmoel Member

    Location:
    Tregaron,

    Well go and see Plewlands too, for a reason not to get into it, speak to someone who has been there done that, and very well too yet still got out of it.
     
  4. interesting i may head up one weekend im amazed they manage to keep 600 sucklers on a farm that had 350 dairy, normally you need a lot more ground for sucklers?
     
  5. bigw

    bigw Member

    Location:
    Scotland
    They make a good job of it. There is a lot of really decent units pretty close to you. Have you looked into contracts yet?
     
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  6. pappuller

    pappuller Member

    Location:
    cheshire
    If you take the dairy farmers grass management mentality youll be surprised how many sucklers you could keep.
     
  7. bigw

    bigw Member

    Location:
    Scotland
    They run a few thousand acres over a couple of different units. A lot of plewlands is light and sandy and they will keep cows out most of the year. The innes's would be all foreign labour which our dairy engineer says they are finding it more difficult to get. Another north east farm dispersing next week in Carlisle. Really decent cows if anyone s needing.

    https://harrisonandhetherington.co.uk/whats-on2/
     
  8. Can't find the decent cows on the catalogue
     
  9. bigw

    bigw Member

    Location:
    Scotland
    Haha but your a beef farmer mind!! Not my type of cows but someone housing 365 will love them.
     
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  10. Penmoel

    Penmoel Member

    Location:
    Tregaron,
    1000 ha over 10 holdings they said on Saturday, calving sucklers now and turn out a day old onto that light ground, clean and healthy.
    Said that figures on dairy did not add up in the end, too much labour costs and not reliable apart from the couple of regular lads
     
  11. I don't doubt that for a second, but if you are making a 16ppl loss, why in Gods name would you continue in it, subsidy or not. That is beyond crazy.

    In those kinds of statistics are we basically saying 25% of the industry needs to do something else?!
     
  12. dolf_lundgren

    dolf_lundgren Member

    Personally I wouldnt be going anywhere near the guys who are housed 365 and milking in rotaries. The cost of getting into that from scratch will be massive, parlour, sheds, slurry storage, silage pits, straights shed.

    Far simpler to look at a basic setup grazing as much as possible, block calving feeding decent silage and as little cake as you can get away with.

    At least that way if it goes belly up in a year you will be half a million in the hole rather then 2mil.
     
  13. More to life

    More to life Member

    Location:
    Somerset
    You'd need a darn good reason to go high input when starting from scratch and I can't think of one.
     
  14. A guarantee that milk will stay at 35ppl for the next 10 years perhaps. Beyond that having a hole to dispose of a couple of million conveniently for tax reasons?
     
  15. Now there's an admission
     
  16. More to life

    More to life Member

    Location:
    Somerset
    Why?
     
  17. Cowabunga

    Cowabunga Member

    Location:
    Ceredigion,Wales
    In fact if those figures are representative of the whole industry, and I've no reason to doubt them even though those losses are fantastic and eye-watering, it seems like about one producer in every two made losses for the two years up to June 2017 and almost certainly a major negative cash flow.

    The big question has to be just how many of us are willing to subject our businesses and families to this again as the price of milk inevitably drops again as most predict it will again, very soon. Possibly as soon as next Spring.
     
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  18. Penmoel

    Penmoel Member

    Location:
    Tregaron,

    Another one which may interest you as an alternative Wester Manbeem, Elgin, we did not manage to get there because of flight difficulties, I understand they milk about 120 organic on two robots.
     
  19. Courier

    Courier Member

    Simple solution- stress test the cash flow with a milk price of 15 ppl for three years out of the next five. If the result is still positive then you might have a viable proposition, just so long as you don’t have a TB breakdown, or an attack of lungworms re-infection syndrome or something akin to BSE rears it’s head.
     
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  20. lazy farmer

    lazy farmer Member

    Location:
    som/dor border
    IM up for it. you need a system that is at least net worth neutral in the bad yrs and able to reinvest/put cash away in the good yrs whilst paying yourself.
    I know I'm biased but in the above regard I feel block calvers of what ever persuasion are far more nimble than confinement farmers.
     

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