Dairy farmers quitting the industry in high numbers.

Interesting to hear on radio the other day, supermarket buyer saying if chicken keeps going up in price due to raising feed prices, beef consumption might increase due to relative prices ( assuming that would be an increase in demand for cheap mince/ cull cows)
We live in changing times

Shouldn't be eating that fudging carp chicken anyway. Abysmal product.
 

coomoo

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Livestock Farmer
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Scotland
Do you work for a bank?

The 5 herds that gave up in our parish all did because of other reasons,the bank had nothing to do with it,one farm was sold purely because 3 brothers split up,sh1t stirring about herds the other end of the country selling up is a poor show.👎
Ok then.
 

som farmer

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somerset
Interesting to hear on radio the other day, supermarket buyer saying if chicken keeps going up in price due to raising feed prices, beef consumption might increase due to relative prices ( assuming that would be an increase in demand for cheap mince/ cull cows)
We live in changing times
we used to do meat sales, chicken isn't quite the cheap meat, people think it is, many have added water+taste, remember the butterball chicken ? And at least 50% of weight is chucked away, as skeleton, and 'odds'. Beef, isn't so dear as people think, you can use 100%, of the weight in most cuts. Apparently the war in Ukraine, is having a serious detriment on chicken, whether a lot came from there, or feed sourced from there, l don't know.
But, its obvious things are changing quite rapidly, in farming, whatever the reasons, and as the general trend is up, who are we, to complain ! My opinion is that after keeping food prices artificially low, for decades, demand is rising quicker than supply. Any guv, would have been sensible to let food costs, rise with inflation, none did, and that policy, is now about to cause serious issues, to add insult, covid/energy/war, have all coincided, to create this problem now.
And, short of political action, l cannot see things improving, there are more negative issues, than positive, for food production. And politicians, will take time, to even recognise it, let alone act upon it. The only solution, l can see, to help keep food prices down, is to subsidise production, the tried and tested solution, of what magnitude of earthquake, will it take, for that to happen ?
Yes but still keeps milking cows high if people are replacing what they’ve lost
Tb rule makers seem to be more relaxed with the rules at the moment
true, but milk production isn't rising, nor are sufficient cows being culled, to satisfy supply, so cow numbers are up, yet production isn't increasing, that is the question. Looking forward, more negatives, than positives, to increase production.
 

Bald Rick

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Anglesey
Cull cows are good money because everyone is eating mince they can’t afford the steaks and the good joints of meat.

Interesting piece in the TImes recently about how chicken will soon be the same price (per kg) as beef

Obviously there is chicken & chicken but the point is being made that food is rising ... and rising rapidly in price

AND I still have no idea where all the money to pay for all this is going to come from
 
Interesting piece in the TImes recently about how chicken will soon be the same price (per kg) as beef

Obviously there is chicken & chicken but the point is being made that food is rising ... and rising rapidly in price

AND I still have no idea where all the money to pay for all this is going to come from

Chicken should be more expensive than beef. Only intensive broiler production made it possible for the stuff to ever be cheap. We don't really eat it here. It doesn't taste of anything.
 

som farmer

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somerset
Interesting piece in the TImes recently about how chicken will soon be the same price (per kg) as beef

Obviously there is chicken & chicken but the point is being made that food is rising ... and rising rapidly in price

AND I still have no idea where all the money to pay for all this is going to come from
the money will have to come from the consumer, they have to buy food.
expensive holidays, cars, eating out, mobile phones, computer games etc, will have to be curtailed, the money, or credit, to pay for them, will be spent on food and energy.
The next problem, will come from the fact, that food is not taxed, the others are, less tax for the treasury. It could well mean, organic food demand, will drop, as the 'niche' market foods might well find. All the the firms, suppling luxury goods, or services, could see similar drops in demand, the money won't be there, for a large percentage of consumers. All this when guv is expected to face increased demands, and repayments, for the huge sums borrowed.

Guv, will get the blame, always does, but what can it actually do, both food inflation, and high energy prices, are not controlled by guv, but by the world mkt place. Can it actually afford to borrow more money, even should it borrow more ? What happens if we go into recession again, as seems possible. Very thankful l am not a politician, having to sort this mess out.
I am sure, many think, like me, everything has got to a silly point, and some sort of rebalancing, is needed, and this may well be it.
 

Jdunn55

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the money will have to come from the consumer, they have to buy food.
expensive holidays, cars, eating out, mobile phones, computer games etc, will have to be curtailed, the money, or credit, to pay for them, will be spent on food and energy.
The next problem, will come from the fact, that food is not taxed, the others are, less tax for the treasury. It could well mean, organic food demand, will drop, as the 'niche' market foods might well find. All the the firms, suppling luxury goods, or services, could see similar drops in demand, the money won't be there, for a large percentage of consumers. All this when guv is expected to face increased demands, and repayments, for the huge sums borrowed.

Guv, will get the blame, always does, but what can it actually do, both food inflation, and high energy prices, are not controlled by guv, but by the world mkt place. Can it actually afford to borrow more money, even should it borrow more ? What happens if we go into recession again, as seems possible. Very thankful l am not a politician, having to sort this mess out.
I am sure, many think, like me, everything has got to a silly point, and some sort of rebalancing, is needed, and this may well be it.
If only we had a subsidy based system to help keep food cheap for the consumer?!

Oh wait a second...
 

som farmer

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Chicken should be more expensive than beef. Only intensive broiler production made it possible for the stuff to ever be cheap. We don't really eat it here. It doesn't taste of anything.
you obviously don't buy the right ones, the good ones, have addictive flavourings added.
but, yes, they are crap. They have started killing them sub 28 days, for party piece chicken wings and legs, and killing them sub 35 days, to keep the '3 chicken for £10' range going, the OH, used to work in a food testing lab, the mechanically recovered chicken meat/shite, nearly made them heave, just looking at it. YUK.
 
you obviously don't buy the right ones, the good ones, have addictive flavourings added.
but, yes, they are crap. They have started killing them sub 28 days, for party piece chicken wings and legs, and killing them sub 35 days, to keep the '3 chicken for £10' range going, the OH, used to work in a food testing lab, the mechanically recovered chicken meat/shite, nearly made them heave, just looking at it. YUK.

Pork is just the same! Bland as fudge.
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
If only we had a subsidy based system to help keep food cheap for the consumer?!

Oh wait a second...
Those horrible EU Subsidies are coming to an end so British consumers will have to pay us farmers more for our produce to make up the differences. Fortunately food etc is cheap so they can afford to do so and there will of course be trade barriers to prevent imports from low cost economies undercutting us... oh wait :banghead: :banghead:
 

Y Fan Wen

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N W Snowdonia
Chicken should be more expensive than beef. Only intensive broiler production made it possible for the stuff to ever be cheap. We don't really eat it here. It doesn't taste of anything.
Dad was in boarding school in the 20s. The chicken dinner was the high point of each half term, as against everyday Argentine beef. Slang for chicken was seagull.
 

O'Reilly

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Those horrible EU Subsidies are coming to an end so British consumers will have to pay us farmers more for our produce to make up the differences. Fortunately food etc is cheap so they can afford to do so and there will of course be trade barriers to prevent imports from low cost economies undercutting us... oh wait :banghead: :banghead:
There's not much food to spare in the low cost economies either, for now, anyway.
 
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the higher price of milk, is negated by rising input costs.
UK production of milk is down, spot milk is expensive, so milkers will be dearer.
but, milk is short, barren price is at record levels, and still rising, so farmers must be hanging on to cows, for their milk, and yet milk production is static, or slightly decreasing, doesn't quite add up.
Top barren price, is well within prime price, so beef must be short, lambs are making good money, and now, chicken/broiler are rapidly rising, price of feed, and a shortage.
Certainly not complaining, quite the opposite, but its far from a 'normal' market place, for ag products. Looking forward, things look quite good for food producers, could say, about time.
lts certainly going to be an interesting year.
Our cake price just had a big hike. Effect on our milkers = approx £960 cost increase (plus some for the 7 month old hfrs). Milk price increase 2.5 ppl this month effect £1,125. Allowing for the other price increases, (fuel, ferts etc) milk prices not keeping up.
 

jendan

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Our cake price just had a big hike. Effect on our milkers = approx £960 cost increase (plus some for the 7 month old hfrs). Milk price increase 2.5 ppl this month effect £1,125. Allowing for the other price increases, (fuel, ferts etc) milk prices not keeping up.
How much is Dairy cake now? Any approx figure would do. My last general purpose cheapy feed was £267/ton.
 

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Man fined £300 for bonfire-related waste offences

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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