Dairy future

[markbury1]

Gentlemen
Tap in Perfect day foods into google.............your thoughts.............

 

[LTH]

Just keep improving what we’re doing and show the public.

 

[vantage]

Ye , right.
Same shyte, different day.
And no I didn’t even bother looking.

 

[LTH]

Ye , right.
Same shyte, different day.
And no I didn’t even bother looking.

Best approach

 

[Y Fan Wen]

'I saw a cloud no bigger than a man's hand...'

The Future of Food & Agriculture | RethinkX

Exploring the disruptive technologies of Precision Fermentation and Cellular Agriculture reshaping the Food & Agriculture sector.

www.rethinkx.com

I know most people here heap scorn and derision on me for posting these links.
However...

 

[markbury1]

when one delves into this area you discover many many companies all around the world on the cusp of production in all sectors of agricultural (including fish). Perfect day is already selling to ice cream manufactures in America. Having established themselves I believe they would either licence or franchise their process worldwide. Would the dairy companies here be left out .....no they will take up the process and remove us from the equation .......... in the end....... Timescale 10 to 15 years.
The public's attitude is changing very fast a few years ago being either vegan or vegetarian was a lifestyle choice now being vegan or vegetarian means your saving the planet

 

[bigw]

I used to think all this stuff was rubbish and wouldn’t make much difference but have had my eyes opened to some of the aspirations by our own government and governments around the world. I personally think it’s crap driven by big business and if it doesn’t work or go to plan has the potential to starve a huge number of people but change is coming.

 

[LTH]

I used to think all this stuff was rubbish and wouldn’t make much difference but have had my eyes opened to some of the aspirations by our own government and governments around the world. I personally think it’s crap driven by big business and if it doesn’t work or go to plan has the potential to starve a huge number of people.

It’s just consolidation of food production giving large companies and individuals huge amount of power and wealth under the idea of saving the planet. I find it sad so choose not to look at it and just focus on my cows today

 

[O'Reilly]

Gentlemen
Tap in Perfect day foods into google.............your thoughts.............

Ladies opinions presumably not required.

 

[markbury1]

Ladies opinions presumably not required.

no

 

[Bald Rick]

no

Bit harsh seeing as they are our reason d’etre ....

 

[Y Fan Wen]

It’s just consolidation of food production giving large companies and individuals huge amount of power and wealth under the idea of saving the planet. I find it sad so choose not to look at it and just focus on my cows today

RethinkX take the opposite view that this gives smaller concerns a route into the local food market. Think of all the small craft brewers that have sprung up in the last decade.

 

[LTH]

RethinkX take the opposite view that this gives smaller concerns a route into the local food market. Think of all the small craft brewers that have sprung up in the last decade.

So producing food in a lab helps smaller companies yea right

 

[Y Fan Wen]

This from Wikipedia:
'To produce whey and casein proteins from non-animal sources, Perfect Day bioengineered microbiota to include DNA sequences that instruct the cells to produce proteins that are conventionally found in cow's milk. The microbiota are then grown in fermentation tanks where they convert a carbohydrate source such as corn sugar into flora-based dairy protein.

Similar recombinant technology is used elsewhere in the food industry, including to make rennet (a common cheesemaking enzyme) and heme.The resulting protein, once separated from the genetically modified microbiota,has the same organoleptic and nutritional properties as its animal-derived analog. After they are separated and dried into a powder, the proteins are used as ingredients in other foods that conventionally contain dairy protein.'

This from RethinkX:
As we have seen, proteins produced by modern food production methods are
already used in healthcare, vitamins, and cosmetics. They are now beginning to
disrupt major, recognizable portions of the wider food market. We already eat many
foods with ingredients produced by PF, yet very few of us are aware of it. These
include valencene (orange taste and smell), raspberry aroma, sweeteners like
thaumatin, and vitamins, as well as a number of enzymes used in food processing
like rennet, amylase, or lipase. More recently, the process is being
used to make soy leghemoglobin (heme). Many of these products have already
completely disrupted the markets they entered.
The next proteins to be disrupted are those produced by cows, namely those in milk
and meat. They will instead be created directly from micro-organisms rather than
extracted from the cow (the macro-organism). These individual proteins will then be
built up to make the end product, whether it be ground meat, a burger, or a steak.
This is a complete reversal of conventional production methods, where the cow is
broken down into constituent components and then processed according to which
end product is desired. In the conventional system, single molecules such as whey
are the hardest and most expensive to produce. In the new system, they are the
easiest and cheapest to produce. Crucially, the single protein molecules made using
modern production techniques will be superior, purer, and more consistent than from
animal origin.

 

[LTH]

I’ve seen it all before I’m gonna keep focussing on my cows at the moment that’s what I enjoy. I don’t need that sh!t to try and get me down.

 

[delilah]

RethinkX take the opposite view that this gives smaller concerns a route into the local food market. Think of all the small craft brewers that have sprung up in the last decade.

So producing food in a lab helps smaller companies yea right

You are both right. If the fundamental means of production - land - is required as a part of the process then there is a future for agriculture, so long as its ownership/ control remains in the hands of millions of individual businesses.
It's the minute you allow it to move from the field to the lab then you're in trouble, as the means of production will be consolidated through rapid buyouts of the innovators. Market share is the root of all evil.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

So producing food in a lab helps smaller companies yea right

Yup.
'Modern foods will also bring about an entirely different food production system that
will move from the field to the fermentation tank. Eliminating the current supply and
value chains associated with cattle production and replacing them with a far more
efficient, localized production system that all but eliminates waste and reduces
significantly the need for transport will cut distribution costs and price volatility, which
will cut product costs further still.

As food production becomes decentralized and moves into urban centers,
production, distribution, and even retail will begin to merge. Grocery stores might
have meat fermentation tanks on-site – just like many brew coffee and bake bread
and cakes instore today. Pizza stores will be able to make fresh cheese onsite
with their own proprietary blend of molecular taste, aroma, texture, and nutritional
attributes (for example, more protein than a steak, ‘good’ fats only, and no sugar).'

As sugars are the favoured feedstock, maybe sb is poised to make a comeback.
Personally I think the meat joint market will be the last to succumb as it is the most challenging
to reproduce, but loss of the ground meat market renders the economics of producing them unfeasible.

 

[delilah]

Yup.
'Modern foods will also bring about an entirely different food production system that
will move from the field to the fermentation tank. Eliminating the current supply and
value chains associated with cattle production and replacing them with a far more
efficient, localized production system that all but eliminates waste and reduces
significantly the need for transport will cut distribution costs and price volatility, which
will cut product costs further still.

As food production becomes decentralized and moves into urban centers,
production, distribution, and even retail will begin to merge. Grocery stores might
have meat fermentation tanks on-site – just like many brew coffee and bake bread
and cakes instore today. Pizza stores will be able to make fresh cheese onsite
with their own proprietary blend of molecular taste, aroma, texture, and nutritional
attributes (for example, more protein than a steak, ‘good’ fats only, and no sugar).'

As sugars are the favoured feedstock, maybe sb is poised to make a comeback.
Personally I think the meat joint market will be the last to succumb as it is the most challenging
to reproduce, but loss of the ground meat market renders the economics of producing them unfeasible.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/star-trek.308030/

 

[LTH]

Yup.
'Modern foods will also bring about an entirely different food production system that
will move from the field to the fermentation tank. Eliminating the current supply and
value chains associated with cattle production and replacing them with a far more
efficient, localized production system that all but eliminates waste and reduces
significantly the need for transport will cut distribution costs and price volatility, which
will cut product costs further still.

As food production becomes decentralized and moves into urban centers,
production, distribution, and even retail will begin to merge. Grocery stores might
have meat fermentation tanks on-site – just like many brew coffee and bake bread
and cakes instore today. Pizza stores will be able to make fresh cheese onsite
with their own proprietary blend of molecular taste, aroma, texture, and nutritional
attributes (for example, more protein than a steak, ‘good’ fats only, and no sugar).'

As sugars are the favoured feedstock, maybe sb is poised to make a comeback.
Personally I think the meat joint market will be the last to succumb as it is the most challenging
to reproduce, but loss of the ground meat market renders the economics of producing them unfeasible.

I’m gonna keep farming until its gone then Ill have no regrets, got to live in the moment if this happens it’ll be devastating but the world changes and I’ll be dead one day and i won’t have to worry about it.

 

[Slippery Slope]

This from Wikipedia:
'To produce whey and casein proteins from non-animal sources, Perfect Day bioengineered microbiota to include DNA sequences that instruct the cells to produce proteins that are conventionally found in cow's milk. The microbiota are then grown in fermentation tanks where they convert a carbohydrate source such as corn sugar into flora-based dairy protein.

Similar recombinant technology is used elsewhere in the food industry, including to make rennet (a common cheesemaking enzyme) and heme.The resulting protein, once separated from the genetically modified microbiota,has the same organoleptic and nutritional properties as its animal-derived analog. After they are separated and dried into a powder, the proteins are used as ingredients in other foods that conventionally contain dairy protein.'

This from RethinkX:
As we have seen, proteins produced by modern food production methods are
already used in healthcare, vitamins, and cosmetics. They are now beginning to
disrupt major, recognizable portions of the wider food market. We already eat many
foods with ingredients produced by PF, yet very few of us are aware of it. These
include valencene (orange taste and smell), raspberry aroma, sweeteners like
thaumatin, and vitamins, as well as a number of enzymes used in food processing
like rennet, amylase, or lipase. More recently, the process is being
used to make soy leghemoglobin (heme). Many of these products have already
completely disrupted the markets they entered.
The next proteins to be disrupted are those produced by cows, namely those in milk
and meat. They will instead be created directly from micro-organisms rather than
extracted from the cow (the macro-organism). These individual proteins will then be
built up to make the end product, whether it be ground meat, a burger, or a steak.
This is a complete reversal of conventional production methods, where the cow is
broken down into constituent components and then processed according to which
end product is desired. In the conventional system, single molecules such as whey
are the hardest and most expensive to produce. In the new system, they are the
easiest and cheapest to produce. Crucially, the single protein molecules made using
modern production techniques will be superior, purer, and more consistent than from
animal origin.

Sounds delicious !